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Thread: ETA says plug-in cars could "speed climate change" unless we get off coal

Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago by physioex
Electric cars do have their efficiencies. For example regenerative braking means on a round trip as you go down the hill you generate some of the energy that you can use on your way back up the hill. Also in heavy traffic the car is using far less energy than an internal combustion engine. Ofcourse getting energy from coal is bad we are not in denial. However it is a step we can take towards ...
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Greyskye replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
When the grid is most often under utilized? Doesn't look like it to me.

abqmufc replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I won’t counter the argument you all bring up….they seem good and well thought out. My biases towards POVs keep me away from some of the data. However, I personally feel you all are missing a larger issue I see the ETA stating (and many more). This is plug in hybrids are not a viable option for clean energy and curbing pollution if a Nation’s main source of energy is coal. This is something ...

abqmufc replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 12:23 PM by abqmufc Please note the slide titled "Clean Power is essential". "The advantage is big in France where nuclear power generation is common. There is no advantage in China, which mainly uses coal-fired power plants." Of course USA is left out b/c this is a public meeting of a federal government Advisory Committee meeting to the EPA. But look at the ...

kristopher replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
The goal is the end of a carbon based economy at all levels. How fast this can be done is a political question more than it is a technological or economic question. We can do it technologically and we can do it with a strong positive net economic benefit. The trouble is the change will create many losers who are now very, very powerful. Estimate the value of the coal in the ground and imaging ...

abqmufc replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I am say lets look at now. NOW we can.... Tax breaks to fix your car to get a new exhaust system (and better for older cars, than stock) and improve MPG. (Pima Country AZ did this back n the late 90s via Clean Air Grant from EPA Region 9) Convert your current gas car to a NG. Pros no battery (as the battery brings up many issues currenlty - weight, size, disposal); 1gallon of NG = current ...

abqmufc replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
I aprreciate your comments on the coal. I agree what I offered are conservative, but when you sit in a meeting with Duke Energy, US automakers, Pork Assoc, American Lung Assoc, EPA, and more, even the US government numbers can be a great resource! It s also hard for anyone to argue those numbers...the 50years number is not so easy to prove. Your number (50 years) would mean....if we all shift...

Statistical replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
1) No fuel source is 100% clean. 2) All hydrocarbon based fuels release CO2 in combustion.

Statistical replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
"This is plug in hybrids are not a viable option for clean energy and curbing pollution if a Nation’s main source of energy is coal." This is 100% wrong. Our current power grid emits about 1.3 pounds of CO2 per kwh generated. This is our current grid, with current mixture of energy sources, and current technology. One gallon of gasoline burned will produced 20 pounds of CO2. It doesn't ...

abqmufc replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Don't we agree that Best Availble Control Technology (BACT) is not used to its fullest ability on our cars, trucks and power plants? How often does one change a muffler or cat converter on a car in its lifetime? We should as we all get many benefits from doing this. Yes everything has a "cost".....but gong down a road of POVs hooked on coal today is not (IMO) better than fixing the cars we...

 

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JohnWxy
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Published (2009-11-30 17:39:00)
AVERAGING THE LIMITS OF THIS RANGE EQUALS: 21.5%. THIS IS THE TOTAL GHG EMISSIONS REDUCTION AS A 5 OF THE TOTAL EMISSIONS OF THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... For about a two years I have been saying electric cars will may achieve a 20% to 30% GHG reduction in 20 years. THe Electric Power REsearch Institute study which teh "Pundit" referenced corroborates what I have been saying....
kristopher
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Published (2009-11-30 17:57:00)
EPRI and NRDC 2007 The Medium deployment scenario is graphically displayed here: Combining the medium deployment scenario with a scenario plotting a medium CO2 intensity** for the energy mix yields 486 million metric ton reduction in annual GHG emissions by 2050. The low deployment/high CO2 intensity scenario resulted in 163 annual MMT reductions by 2050 and the high/low scenario brought about 612 MMT annual reduction. Cumulative reductions...
abqmufc
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maybe national its NG or hydro...but where i live its coal. And the coal is burned dirty. So today PEVs would not solve the issue in place like AZ, NM, S. UT, and S. CO.
AtheistCrusader
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for certain species of fish, so basically we have low/no carbon emission environmentalists getting ready to knife fight the salmon protection and other forms of environmentalists. Meanwhile, the global climate change deniers are laughing at us. I'd like to see an expansion of the dams here, with fish ladders and other measures to protect the native fish species, and ban human fishing of these species to compensate. Then see where we are....
Statistical
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http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml
wtmusic
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Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 12:03 AM by wtmusic What I would like to read is selected excerpts from it that back up your point of view. Did you also ask faculty to "verify themselves" what you'd written in your master's thesis? Did you refer them to Amazon to read the first pages of books you had referenced? Didn't think so. That's not the way it works there, it's not the way it works here. I'm sorry...
Warren Stupidity
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And indeed, and once again, the problem is the kleptocracy in washington not technical issues or economic costs. We are stuck in a rut and the professional befuddlers are doing their well funded best to keep us there.
happyslug
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Published (2009-11-25 11:38:00)
Energy Information Agency (EIA) gives the following CO2 per one Kilowatt-hour of electricity generated: Coal 2.117 Petroleum 1.915 Gas 1.314 1.321 Other Fuels 1.378 http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/page/co2_repor... While Natural Gas is better then Coal, it is NOT that much better, about 40% less CO2. We also have to understand when Coal, Hydro and Natural Gas is used in the generation of Electricity AND when we expect to charge the...
physioex
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Published (2009-11-12 01:49:00)
Electric cars do have their efficiencies. For example regenerative braking means on a round trip as you go down the hill you generate some of the energy that you can use on your way back up the hill. Also in heavy traffic the car is using far less energy than an internal combustion engine. Ofcourse getting energy from coal is bad we are not in denial. However it is a step we can take towards working on better sources of electrical generation.
Greyskye
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Published (2009-11-12 11:01:00)
When the grid is most often under utilized? Doesn't look like it to me.

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