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Thread: D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV

Started 1 month, 1 week ago by EastCoastSnapper
Just curious how many of you shoot ISO 3200 EV -1 instead of ISO 6400 EV 0 and then adjust in RAW? When using the camera at ISO 6400 in very low light I tend to get some minimal noise, but is it worth it to shoot at a lower ISO and adjust in RAW? Your opinions are appreciated. Thanks
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DaveTheAffable replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Well, when I'm shooting in lighting conditions that need those iso's, I dont want to run the risk of losing detail. In general, I've found the D700 so forgiving, that I'd just shoot at 6400 if that's what you really want.

ClaudeD replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Yup, me too. 6400 if it's needed.

Lexus330 replied 1 month, 1 week ago
ClaudeD wrote: > Yup, me too. 6400 if it's needed. Ditto Regards Cris T.

georgeRC replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Unless someone can tell me why not, I'd say that the amount of light on the sensor will be the same either way. That should mean that the image data in the NEF file will be the same either way. The question seems to be whether the change in ISO will cause the camera to be more aggressive with the noise reduction processing in camera (or in PP?) for a jpeg rendering. Have you tried any ...

xrdbear replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I seem to recall a similar thread from the past concerning the D2X. Iliah Borg was, I think, suggesting that shooting at say iso200 at -3ev produced the same or even better results than shooting at iso1600 0ev. It's a while ago and I can't begin to suggest the search terms to find it. I remember now. The idea was that by shooting at lower iso you avoided blowing the highlights and pushing the ...

noirdesir replied 1 month, 1 week ago
georgeRC wrote: > Unless someone can tell me why not, I'd say that the amount of light on the sensor will be the same either way. That should mean that the image data in the NEF file will be the same either way. The light will be the same but with ISO 6400, the sensor data are amplified before the analogue to digital (A/D) conversion and with ISO 3200 & EV -1, the sensor data are amplified ...

xrdbear replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I think this was one relevant thread http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1 021&message=28113972&q=iliah+D2X+640&qf=m

noirdesir replied 1 month, 1 week ago
xrdbear wrote: > I think this was one relevant thread > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1 021&message=28113972&q=iliah+D2X+640&qf=m If Iliah wants to make a point, he makes it usually without providing any context. He might be absolutely right but any large exposure correction is reducing the number of levels. Assume 14 bit capture, with 7 bit below medium gray and 7 bit above....

Iliah Borg replied 1 month, 1 week ago
> any large exposure correction is reducing the number of levels. Bumping ISO in the camera is also nothing more but exposure correction. Starting from certain ISO (individual value for each camera - raw converter pair) it is beneficial to use a decent raw converter to bump ISO instead of bumping it in the camera (high in-camera gains often bring more noise into the captured data then accurate ...

Iliah Borg replied 1 month, 1 week ago
With D3 I never went higher than ISO 1600 in the camera. If I need more, it is done in raw processing and post-processing.

 

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Iliah Borg
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user's latest post:
D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-12 04:26:00)
> > Problem with your theory is, I was sholwing a capture from CC24 that clearly shows 14 bit being superior. > All it shows is gaps in a histogram. The gaps do not necessarily translate into image degradation. Enough is enough.
ejmartin
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D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-12 22:18:00)
georgeRC wrote: > The argument that 12 bits are just as good as 14 bits as long as not all 12 bits are zeroes is mere wishful thinking. The results from less data are noise and posterization. Iliah has a good handle on this. Please see the light (pun intended). > The noise *in* the light (aka photon shot noise) as well as in the camera electronics masks the effects of reduced bit depth, an effect called /dithering/ (look it up...
John Motts
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D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-09 20:13:00)
John Motts wrote: > Fact is, in Adobe software you should set the ISO correctly, not compensate afterwards. Of the shots I have just done, by far the best one in every respect (noise, shadow detail, contrast, everything) was the 6400 one. Quality deteriorated substantially at each step to the point where the 800 ISO was so noisy and contrasty as to be a long way from being useable. > Okay I'm going to correct myself a bit...
noirdesir
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D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-12 23:22:00)
Brad Morris wrote: > Your argument doesn't make sense to me. > > ISO 6400 and 3200 with -1EV will provide exactly the same exposure of light on the silicon sensor. The processing downstream from the sensor applies corrections based on camera settings from the given volume of data created at the sensor by the quantity of exposure to light. Given that exposure is identical, S/N will be identical in the raw data cause...
Ravncat
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D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-11 00:20:00)
I'm not quite sure what to make of it, but I suspect that that data is helping color depth (probably not the right term). Would you be kind enough to tell me raw converter that is?
teodorian2
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Published (2009-11-09 20:56:00)
Here I have used the technique with two separate raw conversions (one for the highlights and one for the shadows) blended in Photoshop using a layermask and a brush. The ISO 25600 original file have blown highlights since the scene is mostly lit by a candle light from the left and the exposure was too generous on purpose for this test. The crop is marked red. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2516/4090782170_658a7a7f37_b.jpg A ISO 3200 shot with...
Marianne Oelund
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D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-10 20:41:00)
Raul wrote: > > Marianne Oelund wrote: > > D300 12-bit will live forever in infamy, I suppose. > > Kindly feed me more on this: what do you mean. In 12-bit RAW mode, the D300 black-clips the signal by a couple of levels or so. It behaves better in 14-bit mode, so if you're trying to recover detail in very deep shadows, there is an advantage to using 14-bit on this particular camera. For most...
rhlpetrus
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D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-10 20:24:00)
Iliah Borg wrote: > > My question is: have you compared results by RPP, ACR and CNX2 re HLs recovery (when clipping occurs in RAW)? > > ACR is best in reconstructing highlights IMHO, and the easiest by far. On certain occasions I process in RPP all but highlights and blend reconstracted highlights from ACR. It is possible to add better HL recovery to RPP - just a matter of time. However, blown out highlights are...
georgeRC
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D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-12 20:55:00)
The argument that 12 bits are just as good as 14 bits as long as not all 12 bits are zeroes is mere wishful thinking. The results from less data are noise and posterization. Iliah has a good handle on this. Please see the light (pun intended). Iliah Borg wrote: > > > Problem with your theory is, I was sholwing a capture from CC24 that clearly shows 14 bit being superior. > > > All it shows is gaps in...
Raul
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D700 ISO 6400 or 3200 -1EV
Published (2009-11-11 01:27:00)
and clear :) >Marianne Oelund wrote:

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