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Thread: Couple why questions

Started 1 month ago by Avidgolfer999
Why do you have to pick the ball cleanly out of a fairway bunker? I know you have to but I don't understand why exactly. If you catch the ball cleanly striking down on the ball before you hit the sand what causes it to behave differently? We know from watching slo-mo vids that the ball doesn't actually compress against the ground so what is going on? I understand the club slows down ...
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Avidgolfer999 replied 1 month ago
I don't think that answers either one of my questions. By picking it cleanly I meant you have to hit ball first and following that you aren't really supposed to hit any sand. I'm aware of what hitting the sand first does. Secondly wouldn't the bounce on my sand wedge cause a skulled shot the same way off cement as it does off dirt? All other things being equal, it seems cement would...

ping12 replied 1 month ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Avidgolfer999 Why do you have to pick the ball cleanly out of a fareway bunker? I know you have to but I don't understand why exactly. If you catch the ball cleanly striking down on the ball before you hit the sand what causes it to behave differently? We know from watching slo-mo vids that the ...

ping12 replied 1 month ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Avidgolfer999 My question had more to do with why one extremely tight lie 'cement' seems more forgiving than dirt. If I had to guess it would be that dirt doesn't have the same surface consistency that cement has making it even less forgiving on a flat angle of attack. The old bumpy ...

Avidgolfer999 replied 1 month ago
So your answer to my question of why am I duffing is that I'm hitting the ball fat. Thats what I meant by duffing so yea I know. My question had more to do with why one extremely tight lie 'cement' seems more forgiving than dirt. If I had to guess it would be that dirt doesn't have the same surface consistency that cement has making it even less forgiving on a flat angle of attack....

Avidgolfer999 replied 1 month ago
Maybe I'm explaining this poorly. I'm not asking for help on how to hit this shot. I'm trying to understand why it is so difficult to begin with. I know the obvious answer is people tend to hit this shot fat, swing bottoms out before the ball etc... or skull it, the club head deflects and they hit it thin I get all of that which is why I compared it with hitting off cement which poses ...

ping12 replied 1 month ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Avidgolfer999 I don't think that answers either one of my questions. By picking it cleanly I meant you have to hit ball first and following that you aren't really supposed to hit any sand. I'm aware of what hitting the sand first does. Secondly wouldn't the bounce on my sand wedge cause a ...

Supermanwoot replied 1 month ago
its a difficult shot because you have little room for error in both situations. where as with a good lie on the fairway you can hit the ground a little early and not lose much club speed and strike the ball well but in sand you would lose to much club speed and hit a short/fat shot. Its a tough shot just concentrate hard on the contact point.

Williamevanl replied 1 month ago
Quote: Originally Posted by iacas "No pros really try to pick it cleanly either - they just try to catch the ball first. What happens after that is largely irrelevant." While that might be true, they certainly advocate picking it cleanly as this is what I kept finding while trying to find the answer to...

VOX replied 1 month ago
Quote: Originally Posted by iacas The sand does not provide any upward angle. The ball is NEVER compressed against the ground at all - whether it's sand or a massive, flat diamond (chosen only because of how hard it is) unless you top the ball. If you hit below the ball's center-of-gravity, the ball immediately rises and it ...

iacas replied 1 month ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Avidgolfer999 I also read a number of times last night that the the sand doesn't compress the ball and thats why it must be picked cleanly so I can understand why many people think that. That part is stupid. The ground doesn't compress the ball either. It's irrelevant that the...

 

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Re: Couple why questions -
Published (2009-11-08 19:23:18)
Quote: Originally Posted by golfdad so here is a theoretical question, possibly a clinical question that can be verified if proper set-up can be arranged... put a golf ball on a scale. the scale registers the weight of the ball,,,as a baseline. set it up so that the ball on the scale sits at "ground" level, allowing a decent golfer to take a regular swing at the ball. run a high speed video cam with view on the ball and the...
Avidgolfer999
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Couple why questions
Published (2009-11-08 00:02:38)
So your answer to my question of why am I duffing is that I'm hitting the ball fat. Thats what I meant by duffing so yea I know. My question had more to do with why one extremely tight lie 'cement' seems more forgiving than dirt. If I had to guess it would be that dirt doesn't have the same surface consistency that cement has making it even less forgiving on a flat angle of attack. The old bumpy dirt lie in my opinion is...
golfdad
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Published (2009-11-14 00:00:00)
thanks for that suggestion. unfortunately, i am not good enough of a golfer to swing sandwedge at an accuracy that can be considered scientifically reliable i'd hate to introduce operator error and to be another confounding variable... allow me to clarify. by downward force, i did not and do not mean 100% of the force, but a vector, aka, a percentage of it because the angle of attack is not purely forward toward the target, nor purely...
safetrip
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Published (2009-11-16 15:31:09)
Quote: Originally Posted by verse214 you can strike the ball as if you were chipping or pitching from the fairway? You can except that the ball won't pop up 6' high to go over the mound in front of you. I think hitting exactly 4 inch behind ball is not as important as you make sure open the face and glide underneath the ball to pop it out. Since the angle of attack is so shallow, the club face needs to enter the sand first to insure...
VOX
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Re: Couple why questions -
Published (2009-11-08 20:23:18)
Quote: Originally Posted by mdl The first one is just dumb. And I've never heard anyone say it. The second one seems true just from physics. It might also be true that it does something to the mechanics of the air flow and increases lift, but it seems a tail wind would decrease the force of the air through which the ball has to travel right off the club, and then as the ball decelerates the wind would actually be pushing from the back,...
iacas
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Re: Couple why questions -
Published (2009-11-08 19:23:18)
Quote: Originally Posted by golfdad my hypothesis is that at the moment of impact, when the clubhead makes a contact with the ball below the equator cleanly, there is enough of a downward force on the ball and the scale will register a higher weight for a split moment than the original ball weight, suggesting that at impact there is an additional force into the "ground" that the ball sits on, thus a reaction if one looks the...
Supermanwoot
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Couple why questions
Published (2009-11-08 03:02:38)
its a difficult shot because you have little room for error in both situations. where as with a good lie on the fairway you can hit the ground a little early and not lose much club speed and strike the ball well but in sand you would lose to much club speed and hit a short/fat shot. Its a tough shot just concentrate hard on the contact point.
Williamevanl
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Couple why questions - Page 2 -...
Published (2009-11-08 12:23:12)
Quote: Originally Posted by iacas "No pros really try to pick it cleanly either - they just try to catch the ball first. What happens after that is largely irrelevant." While that might be true, they certainly advocate picking it cleanly as this is what I kept finding while trying to find the answer to my own question. From Tiger Woods book How I Play Golf. "Hitting the ball solidly, without touching a grain of said...
mdl
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Couple why questions - Page 2 -...
Published (2009-11-08 19:23:12)
Quote: Originally Posted by VOX The compression myth reminds me of a couple others: draws/hooks have top-spin and a tail wind blows the ball forward. The first one is just dumb. And I've never heard anyone say it. The second one seems true just from physics. It might also be true that it does something to the mechanics of the air flow and increases lift, but it seems a tail wind would decrease the force of the air through which the ball...
ballhog
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Published (2009-11-09 21:11:16)
......could be a stupid question, but....why the hell are you hitting off concrete anyway?

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