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Thread: Cold hammer forged barrels in ar-15s...?

Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago by Servo77
Ok, I have a few ar's, all from top tier makers (mostly colt). What is the deal with cold hammer forged barrels. What is the main difference between that and a mil-spec barrel on a colt? What are the advantages? Better accuracy? Longevity? Other?
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GONIF replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
they will last longer,and cost more . check out the new BCM cold hammer forged uppers .

NSO_w/_SIG replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Correct, it's main advantage is longevity, as long as you don't pay a bunch of extra money for it than it may be worth it to some. In the case of the Spikes upper deal of the month I feel like it is a good deal because it is not an outrageous price. "87gr" on ar15.com got a T&E spikes CHF sent to him and did a range report on it back in Sept. and was impressed with the quality and function ...

Servo77 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Why exactly does it last longer?

Horseman replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Beating the steel into shape increases it's surface hardness and density. Cutting or swaging the rifling does not do this. IIRC the article I read said bores were around 6 on the Rockwell scale harder with hammer forged barrels.

Dfariswheel replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Not necessarily. A "mil-spec" barrel is going to be hard chrome lined, which is much harder and longer lasting than a hammer forged barrel. The real "military specification" calls for a barrel to be chrome lined. Truth is, a hammer forged barrel "can" have a number of benefits, but simply because its hammer forged is no guarantee the barrel is any better than any other. If you have a...

Horseman replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: A "mil-spec" barrel is going to be hard chrome lined, which is much harder and longer lasting than a hammer forged barrel. The real "military specification" calls for a barrel to be chrome lined. Truth is, a hammer forged barrel "can" have a number of benefits, but simply because its hammer forged is no guarantee the barrel is any better than any other....

Servo77 replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Well Daniel defense and bcm offer cold hammer forged barrels that are chrome lined as well.

Horseman replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
Quote: Well Daniel defense and bcm offer cold hammer forged barrels that are chrome lined as well. I don't think it would be advantagious to be hammer forged and chrome lined. Once a bore is chrome lined you are dealing with the hardness of the chrome not the steel beneath. I have no emperical evidence on this just a thought.

tINY replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
As I understand it, for high volume production, hammer-forgings are very economical when you are making very large runs of barrels which have to hold tight tolerance (and thus shoot a bit more accurately than an inexpensive hunting rifle. Seems like a good way to go for common AR-15 barrel configurations.... -tINY

Technosavant replied 1 month, 2 weeks ago
All I can say is that my BCM upper is astonishingly accurate. Whether the cold hammer forging has anything to do with it or not, I'd have absolutely no hesitation about buying another one.

 

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Horseman
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Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-12 12:35:00)
Quote: It may not make a difference in practical terms, but "in theory" there is a benefit to having harder steel under the chrome. I agree there is likely no practical difference. The difference among non chrome lined barrels is not that great. I assume the difference once plated would be even less.
Servo77
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Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-11 20:47:00)
Well Daniel defense and bcm offer cold hammer forged barrels that are chrome lined as well.
GONIF
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user's latest post:
Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-11 16:15:00)
they will last longer,and cost more . check out the new BCM cold hammer forged uppers .
NSO_w/_SIG
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user's latest post:
Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-11 16:46:00)
Correct, it's main advantage is longevity, as long as you don't pay a bunch of extra money for it than it may be worth it to some. In the case of the Spikes upper deal of the month I feel like it is a good deal because it is not an outrageous price. "87gr" on ar15.com got a T&E spikes CHF sent to him and did a range report on it back in Sept. and was impressed with the quality and function and called it a...
Dfariswheel
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Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-11 20:26:00)
Not necessarily. A "mil-spec" barrel is going to be hard chrome lined, which is much harder and longer lasting than a hammer forged barrel. The real "military specification" calls for a barrel to be chrome lined. Truth is, a hammer forged barrel "can" have a number of benefits, but simply because its hammer forged is no guarantee the barrel is any better than any other. If you have a Colt...
tINY
1
user's latest post:
Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-12 01:47:00)
As I understand it, for high volume production, hammer-forgings are very economical when you are making very large runs of barrels which have to hold tight tolerance (and thus shoot a bit more accurately than an inexpensive hunting rifle. Seems like a good way to go for common AR-15 barrel configurations.... -tINY
Technosavant
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Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-12 10:50:00)
All I can say is that my BCM upper is astonishingly accurate. Whether the cold hammer forging has anything to do with it or not, I'd have absolutely no hesitation about buying another one.
johnbt
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Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-12 21:48:00)
http://technology.calumet.purdue.edu...20No_%207).htm Interesting article with pics about hammer forged barrels. From Precision Shooting magazine, November 2005. "About the Authors Vern Briggs is the Forging Process Engineer at Sturm, Ruger & Company, Newport, New Hampshire where he is responsible for barrel production. James Higley is a Professor of Mechanical Engineering Technology at Purdue University Calumet, Hammond,...
Jimro
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Cold hammer forged barrels in...
Published (2009-11-12 10:56:00)
Horseman, The harder the surface under the chrome lining the less ductile it will be. That means it will deform less before breaking. Chrome can "flake off" if the suface it is bonded to deforms too much, as chrome is especially hard and brittle. It may not make a difference in practical terms, but "in theory" there is a benefit to having harder steel under the chrome. Jimro

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