Thread: Clearly Defined Good and Evil?

Quote: Originally Posted by small axe Morally, spiritually, is it not "NOT his fault" he cannot be redeemed? And if it's not his fault ... why hold him to that impossible accounting? Actually, it is his fault if he cannot be redeemed, since he choose or allowed himself to be driven to commit a crime for which restitution is impossible. In such a case, the sensible thing to do might be to offer him a sword and suggest...

Quote: Originally Posted by MGraybosch Has he attempted to make restitution for his crimes? Is restitution even possible? I don't think it's reasonable to forgive somebody who hasn't actively attempted to make amends for his wrongdoing. Well, your questions illustrate one of the quandaries involved: what if he would willingly make restitution, but now restitution is impossible? As Liosse de Velishaf points out, the murder...

Quote: Originally Posted by small axe Well, your questions illustrate one of the quandaries involved: what if he would willingly make restitution, but now restitution is impossible? As Liosse de Velishaf points out, the murder victim is dead, what can be done? Yet that leaves us with the dilemma of the reformed criminal wanting to make restitution (which is a demonstration of his or her changed nature, of their new Goodness) ... but the...

Gives their life or risks it? If they give it, well, then they'd be dead. I don't believe in karma or an afterlife so whether or not they're "redeemed" is purely in the eye of the beholder imo. If they risk their life to save someone else then good on them. But why should that be a get out of jail free card? Saving that persons life doesn't do anything for the person they killed.

Quote: Originally Posted by DeleyanLee This lack of support is the reason I will never trust George Lucas as a storyteller. After the first three (chronologically released) movies, he had Darth Vader as this big bad-ass who was willing to kill his own son in the 2nd movie, then suddenly turns around in a short period of (movie)-time and saves the same son and sacrifices the man he's served for longer than said son has been alive--all...

I guess my request to make your next post less empty was ignored. Quote: Originally Posted by small axe Disagreement with YOU doesn't mean anyone here is 'ignorant' ... It may mean we are too wise to agree with you. You assume (you jump to the totally unfounded assumption) that any church has told me anything. Tell us what YOU (presume that you) KNOW of my religious background that ALLOWS YOU to make that comment,...

Quote: Originally Posted by MGraybosch In other words, some of what what some of us is saying is striking a bit too close to home for comfort? I'll do you a favor: if you ever see a book entitled Starbreaker by Matthew Lovelace -- don't read it unless you want to see all of your sacred cows grilled and served on homemade whole wheat bread with bacon and cheddar cheese on top. Sounds tasty. I'll take two. Quote: Originally...

Quote: Originally Posted by Liosse de Velishaf That's certainly my own preference. I'd rather you didn't tell me what your preference is, but let me decide for myself.

Oh well, I tried two pages back. __________________ "You have to walk right up to the edge of the cliff, jump off, and build your wings on the way down." -- Ray Bradbury site / blog - twitter - flickr

In fiction , I wouldn't class him as anything, apart from human I'd write him, show his attempts at redemption and let my readers make up their own minds