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Thread: Chamber run out issue

Started 2 months ago by AZLarry
223rem chamber has run out of .0015" at the last half of the chamber. But the neck and lead areas look good with no run out. Q: What caused the back half of the chamber to have run out and how can it be avoided? Details: a) Indicated barrel bore using long stem indicator. Looks good the length of case. b) Drilled then straight bored chamber to .347" diameter for a ...
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Rflshootr replied 2 months ago
I peronally never liked the floating reamer holders. That may have been what caused your problem. Check the diameter of the chamber nearest the head of the case to see if it is oversized as compared to the reamer. That may give you a clue as to what is happening.

David Sengelaub replied 2 months ago
Larry Did you measure for run out after you bored the hole? Even though you used a carbide boring bar it is a small diameter and the boring bar may have been pushing off. With a floating holder the reamer is only going to follow the hole.

AZLarry replied 2 months ago
The bored hole was running true. What about technique on holding reamer and stopping the lathe while reamer is still in the bore???? Do you leave the reamer in the bore and back off on the pressure while stopping the lathe spindle? Or just pull out the reamer while the lathe is turning? Thanks for the reply's....

jackie schmidt replied 2 months ago
.0015 is a lot of runnout considering you did pre-bore the chamber. The only thing I can think of is your reamer pilot encountered a spot up in there that did not run true with your initial indicated spot, influrencing things to where you ended up with the runnout. I have had chambers run out as much as .0004 after everything is done, but that is no where near as much as what you are ...

Bob Kingsbury replied 2 months ago
The floating reamer holders I have are all a disappointment. I don't use them. They all seem to have problems. Its just better to allign the tail stock. Once alligned, dowel pin it and recontour barrels elsewhere. It doesn't take much to put a dead center back in the tailstock on a chip blown out of the chamber , attention to detail can't be taken to far.

AZLarry replied 2 months ago
Just a thought. Because only the out board half of the chamber was out of round the spider screws might of "moved" causing the other end of the barrel is wobble??? I should of checked run out before the chamber was to finished depth. Also don't finish the barrel threads before the chamber. Lessons learned.....

Bob Kingsbury replied 2 months ago
That would make an egg shaped chamber

Jim Borden replied 1 month, 4 weeks ago
It is not odd to me that the back end of the chamber runs out more than the neck. When measuring run-out from what is believed to be a properly bucked in bore at the throat-you are measuring angularity. That is what Jackie was referring to when he said the bushing must have followed part of the bore that did not align with center of lathe spindle. The farther back from that point you get, the...

HCP replied 1 month, 4 weeks ago
I haven't used a pilot since I can remember. I indicate throat, rough drill, angle bore then finish ream. If you have indicated the throat and forward of that (where the pilot rides rides) is out, as most of them are, all of the other work is a wasted effort. The reamer is going to follow the pilot to some degree even with single point bored hole. Bore scope the throat when you are done. We are ...

Bnhpr replied 1 month, 4 weeks ago
Quote: Originally Posted by HCP I haven't used a pilot since I can remember. I indicate throat, rough drill, angle bore then finish ream. If you have indicated the throat and forward of that (where the pilot rides rides) is out, as most of them are, all of the other work is a wasted effort. The reamer is going to follow the pilot to ...

 

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Bob Kingsbury
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Published (2009-11-13 16:36:00)
If you had a perfect chamber and put crooked ammo in it, would it shoot any better. At least with the crooked chamber the error is always in the same direction--- Food for thought
JerrySharrett
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Published (2009-11-10 04:14:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Bnhpr Geez, I thought all the gun drills had counter rotation? I'll have to run the traps on that one? Ben Some or all of them may now. A few years ago not so. Douglas used to have a video on their web site but I can't find it now. Check it out and let us know. It was in the 1970's when I was working on projects like deep hole drilling.
AZLarry
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Published (2009-11-06 20:07:00)
To: TRA The Interapid indicator described is made to operate with a 2.750" stem with a resolution of .0005" on the dial. To: Shooter53 I'm following the principles described by Gordy's video on barrel alignment. Bore alignment only at the chamber area, what the muzzle is doing is not critical. To All: I have made a few changes to my setup: 1) Made the alum. split ring holding the barrel in the chuck thinner. Last...
jackie schmidt
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Published (2009-11-13 06:57:00)
I have posted a procedure in the past on how toactually check your work, what criticle areas to indicate to verify that all of the criticle surfaces do indeed run reasonably true with one another. You mentioned .003 runnout. That is extreme. But, if the Rifleshoots at a competitive level, then who knows. In reality, while a lot of runnout might not affect accurcy, it does start to manefest it's self in other areas, such as difficult...
Butch Lambert
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Published (2009-11-13 06:53:00)
tr, I don't think any of us can answer your question. Butch
Boyd Allen
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Published (2009-11-10 06:29:00)
I am not sure why counter rotation works, but when the subject came up, some time ago, in a discussion on this same topic, with an experienced machinist/machine shop owner, he told me the following story. He and his partners were involved in the production of close tolerance aircraft parts, hydraulic cylinders of some sort, that required accurate deep hole drilling. After struggling with producing the parts to the required tolerance, he...
Shooter53
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Published (2009-11-07 07:08:00)
AZLarry, Sorry, I'm not familiar with Gordy's method of barrel alignment. My reference is from Darrel Holland's 2 video set "Custom Barreling" from AGI (American Gunsmithing Institue), The Gunsmith Machinist by Steve Acker and " The Complete Illustrated Guide to Precison Rifle Barrel Fitting by John L, Hinnant. Good luck with your project.
TRA
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Published (2009-11-07 23:14:00)
When you drive into a tunnel you do not worry where the exit is, as it does not matter, hitting the entrance straight does. A bullet would be the same, the best chamber is the one that starts the bullet true to the entrance of the bore. Indicating the exit would be a waste of time. the bullet has to follow the bore. From an engineering and a machining standpoint, the entrance is all that matters, no consideration about what the exit is doing...
Don
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Published (2009-11-09 16:32:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by JerrySharrett Much of this wandering could be eliminated if the barrel maker would build a machine where the barrel and the drill both rotate.. Hi Jerry, How would the rotation of the barrel and the drill improve the bore straightness? I would think the barrel material would see the same cutting edges, flute support, and speed rates, so I am having a hard time finding a difference that would achieve improved...
HCP
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Published (2009-11-06 15:53:00)
We have to split the differences when necessary. Bores are not perfectly straight so we have to deal with it. Boyd..The answer to your first question is yes, that is why I don't use the pilot. you are just adding another variable to errors that you will encounter. Gordy Gritters has a method too get this area running true by adjusting the outboard end of the barrel too correct it. Another way to skin the kitty. As for your second...

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