Lately, I've been noticing that there have been an awful lot of catastrophic failure reports popping up on handguns in particular.
Let's see: We've had cracks in Beretta Tomcat frames, Cracking slides on Walther P22's, A barrell popping off a Taurus Tracker, and 9mm Glocks that are exploding from popping the same round up the pipe too many times. I'm sure there have been others, and perhaps ...
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Originally Posted by HEMI Our practice ammo has been a joke lately, squibs, hard primers, burs and smokey as hell. I would guess most of the failures are ammo related.
Ammo companies are scrambling to keep up I think QC is suffering You might just have something there. I'm glad most of my ammo is pre-frenzy.
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Originally Posted by danf6975 also using the internet making the data more available
when you think of the millions of weapons out there and the few reports we hear about it is just a piece of sand on the beach but it feels like more since since we are not used to being able to hear from people half way around the world within seconds.
EXACTLY! This sort ...
Those cracked frames are one reason I have no urgent desire to own a Beretta Model 92, aka the US Model M9, usually referred to at my gun club as "that bleeping piece of bleep that those bleeping idiots in the Pentagon rolled over for NATO and replaced the .45 with" by the combat veterans in the club. You have to expect that once in a long while a defective frame may get past the inspectors; but ...
If a gun has 100 parts, and each of those parts has a 99% chance of being perfect and a 1% chance of being wrong, what is the chance that any given gun is perfect? Do the math and you will see that it's a lot less than you might think -- somewhere around 36.6% if I did it right. That means with a 99% rate of perfect parts and a 100 part gun, you will only get a gun with all perfect parts 37 ...
don't forget the huge number of first time buyers that that have no training in the care, operation, correct use and storage of their new toy. come to an indoor range with me i will show u what i mean.
also many years ago i lived in africa where star, and taurus were common, at that time their quality was awful .
now, years later that reputation has followed them . i have friends that won't ...
A number of you brought up some valid points. 1) Ammunition, and possibly firearms, produced by new employees at ammunition plants that went from one shift to three or four shifts. 2) New guns in the hands of new and/or incompetent shooters. 3) Marketing sabotage by competitors or even anti-gun groups or individuals. 4) Rapid dissemination of ...
We always shoot off our duty rounds during requals to ensure fresh ammo etc..
Had 2 squibs with that as well, hardly reasuring.
Good points though. Guns are tools and tools fail sometimes when you need them the most.
Carry a backup gun when possible. Better yet train as if the gun is going to fail.
Example mindset and threat assesment. Knowing there is going to be a fight beforehand is a ...
well the ammount of failures may have risin slightly due to people with no training buying guns but im betting the majority of it is that they where always in that range but more people that use guns are now also using the internet making the data more available
when you think of the millions of weapons out there and the few reports we hear about it is just a piece of sand on the beach but it ...
I just read these threads and there are people saying things like "I'm selling my Taurus right now!" or "I'm getting rid of my Walther if this is what's going to happen!". And I just want to caution people not to get rid of a good gun until you're sure something is wrong with yours, not because of what happened to somebody else, or because of what somebody else said.
^I can understand what you're saying, as I happen to have a Llama large frame auto in .45 ACP, I love it. I also understand that there are others who have either had bad experiences with guns made by Llama. Now that having been said, while I pay attention to the issues others may have with certain "problematic" guns, I also take their comments with a grain of salt. That doesn't mean their ...
So the excessive erosion is dependent on shooting a number of aluminum cases that split? How often do they split compared to brass? It follows that the same thing could occur in a semi-auto, too. That could lead to a rough chamber and that in turn to failure to extract, correct? I don't pretend to be up on all the latest things in the shooting world, but it seems that if this is a not rare occurrence there should be more noise about it...
We always shoot off our duty rounds during requals to ensure fresh ammo etc.. Had 2 squibs with that as well, hardly reasuring. Good points though. Guns are tools and tools fail sometimes when you need them the most. Carry a backup gun when possible. Better yet train as if the gun is going to fail. Example mindset and threat assesment. Knowing there is going to be a fight beforehand is a great edge.
Quote: Originally Posted by HEMI Our practice ammo has been a joke lately, squibs, hard primers, burs and smokey as hell. I would guess most of the failures are ammo related. Ammo companies are scrambling to keep up I think QC is suffering You might just have something there. I'm glad most of my ammo is pre-frenzy.
your duty rounds had squibs? was that intentional or a sign from the powers that be? guess it was luck that they got fired in qual and not in the line of duty
Quote: Originally Posted by HEMI Very lucky yes, and a little scarey as well. Winclean fmjs are normally dependable but they are not going to be used anymore too many issues. Going to try 20,000 rounds of PMC next. It is getting tough to get any ammo here right now but it all is suspect . Do you have to use dept ammo? I would be very, very upset with a ftf with duty equipment. __________________ Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is...
If there is a metallic flaw in an aluminum case which causes a "burn-through" failure which reaches the chamber wall, under certain conditions of high temperature and pressure you may get a thermite type reaction.
don't forget the huge number of first time buyers that that have no training in the care, operation, correct use and storage of their new toy. come to an indoor range with me i will show u what i mean. also many years ago i lived in africa where star, and taurus were common, at that time their quality was awful . now, years later that reputation has followed them . i have friends that won't even try them. i am in love with the judge....
A number of you brought up some valid points. 1) Ammunition, and possibly firearms, produced by new employees at ammunition plants that went from one shift to three or four shifts. 2) New guns in the hands of new and/or incompetent shooters. 3) Marketing sabotage by competitors or even anti-gun groups or individuals. 4) Rapid dissemination of information due to the internet and simply because guns and ammunition stories are more prevalent...
^I can understand what you're saying, as I happen to have a Llama large frame auto in .45 ACP, I love it. I also understand that there are others who have either had bad experiences with guns made by Llama. Now that having been said, while I pay attention to the issues others may have with certain "problematic" guns, I also take their comments with a grain of salt. That doesn't mean their complaints are unfounded it...
2 rules for computers: 1) crunchtime = catastrophic... 2 rules for computers: 1) crunchtime = catastrophic failure. 2) when you want to demonstrate failure to tech support, everything looks fine. 10:43 AM Apr 4th from web
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