I would imagine that the granting of visas for boat people costs Australian taxpayers from payment of benefits.
I assume that they will have very little when that arrive and the Australian taxpayers are requried to support them for considerable time!
What are the benefits paid for and the amounts paid to individual families.
John Howard was rubbished when he said that we will decide who comes to Australia and the circumstances under which they came.
Now of course it is the people smugglers who decide these matters and it is making Kevin Rudd look very weak. Mouthing off abuse at the people smugglers didn't work, and now he has to start sounding like Howard, making "no apologies" for a hard line.
And he has to...
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John Howard was rubbished when he said that we will decide who comes to Australia and the circumstances under which they came.
Now of course it is the people smugglers who decide these matters and it is making Kevin Rudd look very weak. Mouthing off abuse at the ...
What I find funny is that they say the conditions are intolerable in Sri Lanka, which they very well may be, but they said that Indonesia is not safe enough because of Tsunami's and Australia is the only option.
If they really were legit refugees then surely Indonesia would be good enough for them. Beggars can't be choosers and to me its a tell tale sign that they are indeed not legit ...
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What I find funny is that they say the conditions are intolerable in Sri Lanka, which they very well may be, but they said that Indonesia is not safe enough because of Tsunami's and Australia is the only option.
If they really were legit refugees then surely ...
If they were genuine refugees i.e. tamils on the run from the sri lankan govt following the civil war they wpuld only have to go to India be welcomed as heroes , Indiia supported the tamils, and apply to UNHCR for genuine refugee status and resettlement in a country that takes UNHCR refuggess which includes Australia
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Do you think that Indonesia has no welfare, now free
housing, no free medical has any thing to do with it???
Thats kinda my point! They're obviously not real refugees if they have the luxury of turning down "refuge", even...
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Thats kinda my point! They're obviously not real refugees if they have the luxury of turning down "refuge", even if it is Indonesia. Its still a refuge from the war they are escaping.
So true, Australia is a soft touch. It is ...
Ok :
Point 1.
The UN definition of a refugee decrees that a refugee is only a refugee if they leave their home nation and seek refuge at the closet friendly port. What this means to australia is that basically very few foreign nationals can claim refugee status. If you pass through indonesia to get to australia, you are by definition not a refugee, you are an illegal immigrant.
Point...
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hello,
let them in
thankyou
Dr Robots
ok, 2 questions:
1. can we let "them" in to live next to you?
2. why?
at least i gave reasons.
thanks
Congratulations Boggo, an excellent summary of the situation. Maybe it should have included the information that if they hijack the rescue boat they will receive even more favoured treatment than those already in the system. Rudd as a spinmeister is at the top of his game, but no amount of spin can conceal the fact that if a group of Tamils had seized control of an aircraft under similar circumstances and coerced the captain to take them to an...
Quote: Originally Posted by Buddy You can find the payment rates on the Centrelink website. The figures posted by mellifuos are not entirely correct. As they say there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. You can manipulate figures to tell a story. The politicans may come out and condemn the emails and stories about refugees getting more than a pensioner and state that everyone gets equal treatment, which is trues. But................ in...
Quote: Originally Posted by Mofra This really seems like a generalisation and not based on anything factual at all. a. Who gets a free house? b. Colour is an indication of ethnicity? We've had a Chinese population in Australia since the early 19th century!
Quote: Originally Posted by bunyip Barnaby Joyce has the right idea....take 'em back to Sri Lanka http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...1108-i365.html
Quote: Originally Posted by Happy Not long before we get to boat a day, then it will be great Border Control achievement if we will only get a boat every second day (50% reduction).
Quote: Originally Posted by Mofra The control freak not being aware of deals being made regarding the biggest political headache he is currently handling? Methinks Krudd is being a little "creative" with his "recollection of events".
Well, another boat is coming. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin It now appears to be side income for fishermen from India. They bribe their way through Indonesia and if thrown to prison, facilities in Australia are much better that what they have home, so no worries for them it is a holiday. And we pay the rest !!!
Quote: Originally Posted by pilots Now as to citizenship they may have that, good on them, but what gives me dysentery is the fact I have paid tax's all my life and are ENTITLED to NOTHING. They on the other hand get, a house, the list is NEVER ENDING.
Quote: Originally Posted by Julia Tink, have you ever had any extended contact with people claiming welfare benefits? i.e. dealt with people who are part of multi-generational welfare families who have no intention whatsoever of making any contribution to Australia via the tax system or in any social sense? Why should Pilots not feel resentful when he has presumably worked all his life to become a self funded retiree, thus not needing to rely...
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