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Thread: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling. I'll never play there again.

Started 1 month, 1 week ago by Travis Beard
1/2 no limit 225 effective stacks, I cover. Three way action. UTG+1 limp, MP raise 15, Hi-jack call 15, I call Button Q10 clubs, SB raise to 40, MP call, I call. (140) Flop 10 8 2 SB check, MP 65, I call. SB raises allin for 81 total 16 more. MP says "I'm all In" for about 125. I say that doesn't matter, Sb didn't reopen the betting, dealer overrules me ...
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pfapfap replied 1 month, 1 week ago
The ruling sucks, but would you be as upset if the board finished as unders and you would've gotten stacked? I never would have accepted that ruling, tho'. I'd have held up the game until another floor or supervisor came over.

VisAW replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by pfapfap The ruling sucks, but would you be as upset if the board finished as unders and you would've gotten stacked? I never would have accepted that ruling, tho'. I'd have held up the game until another floor or supervisor came over. Second that. And the rude remark at...

torontotablecpt replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by pfapfap The ruling sucks, but would you be as upset if the board finished as unders and you would've gotten stacked? I never would have accepted that ruling, tho'. I'd have held up the game until another floor or supervisor came over. Ok, now this is not a sarcastic ...

venice10 replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by pfapfap The ruling sucks, but would you be as upset if the board finished as unders and you would've gotten stacked? I never would have accepted that ruling, tho'. I'd have held up the game until another floor or supervisor came over. Another floor is never coming over. ...

AKQJ10 replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by torontotablecpt Ok, now this is not a sarcastic question or a "level" but why can't he reraise? Because an all-in "raise" of $16 isn't really a raise, because it's less than the $65 bet. The bettor may not reraise in NL unless there's a raise behind him for the full ...

torontotablecpt replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Thanks Venice

thankjay replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by venice10 Another floor is never coming over. Maybe you'd get the poker room manager if they weren't busy. if you refused to release your hand until you get a ruling from the shift manager they will eventually have to come over. regardless of how silly others may think this is...

bulls_horn replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by torontotablecpt Ok, now this is not a sarcastic question or a "level" but why can't he reraise? In OP, MP bets 65. SB's allin is not a true raise to 81, but a call of 65 plus an "action" of 16 more. Follow? The 16 more is not a raise, just an action. So when it gets back ...

hotplacepoker replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Idiot floor. Should ask the question, what if he only had 66, can the other guy re-raise that +1 raise? If not, why can he raise now?

Fracchiolla replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Horrible ruling you got the shaft.

 

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AKQJ10
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user's latest post:
Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 14:49:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Steven Segal's Dad So, MP would have to go AI for at least another $81 on top of the SB $81 for it to be a legal re-raise? That correct? No, MP may not reraise. No one raised his bet. MP may call $16 more or fold.
pfapfap
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Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 23:23:00)
Within the past year.
bulls_horn
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Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 12:07:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by XXfrygatorXX Actually, it's 50% or more of the original bet: meaning the all-in re-raise would have to be at least $98 to open the betting again. The 50% thing is for LHE. In NLHE, a raise is double the previous raise ($65, up to $130-to-go in OP).
stabn
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Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 14:14:00)
I'm almost certain that isn't their rule. So that isn't really pertinent. There is no way they allow a player to raise himself just because someone went all in for an extra dollar.
torontotablecpt
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Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-11 22:10:00)
Thanks Venice
frommagio
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Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 02:57:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Travis Beard 1/2 no limit 225 effective stacks, I cover. Three way action. UTG+1 limp, MP raise 15, Hi-jack call 15, I call Button Q10 clubs, SB raise to 40, MP call, I call. (140) Flop 10 8 2 SB check, MP 65, I call. SB raises allin for 81 total 16 more. MP says "I'm all In" for about 125. I say that doesn't matter, Sb didn't reopen the betting, dealer overrules me says he can go...
OminousTS
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Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 16:20:00)
It's Bellagio's rule, it isn't standard but it is their rule. You just have to deal with it. Making a big deal about it isn't going to change their rules and its just gonna make you seem like an *******. Also, you have half your stack in and are getting 5 to 1, why not call there.
bav
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Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 19:14:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by *TT* players should start to demand printed rule books be made available to all players upon request ala California. I don't see how the existence of a printed rule book that players can examine would have helped in OP's case. If he wasn't able to get the shift manager or a second floor to come chat with the not-so-bright floor screwing up this ruling, how is being able to dig a book out from under a...
TheGunslinger
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Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 15:32:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by venice10 There's no real "logic" behind it, just that's how most rooms handle it. There is some logic behind the rule, it's to prevent some angle shooting. Let's say Player A has $500 and he is first to act with a monster on the river in a $100 pot. Player B also has $500 and Player C only has $100. A wants to get as much as Player B's stack as he can. He knows Player B...
gravy77
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Re: Bellagio 1/2 Floor ruling....
Published (2009-11-12 14:59:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by *TT* there are no rules available for the average player yet we are all expected to adjust to the house rules even though they change from card room to card room. Poker rules are not standardized and frankly they never will be due to the public domain aspect of the game as well as legislation in individual districts/management decisions (its even worse for NL because the game is relatively new and some card rooms...

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