In my opinion nuclear weapons are the most overrated weapon the world has seen. It is exorbitantly expensive to produce. They are politically awkward. They have little to no real conventional use. Their affect as a deterrent is anecdotal at best, and at worst they have no deterrent affect whatsoever and are in reality nothing but a liability for the country that possesses them. Also ...
Your argument is extremely well reasoned, but fails to consider two key points. In both N. Korea and Pakistan, nuclear weapons created huge diplomatic leverage for both (we would probably not still be in Afghanistan if Pakistan lacked nuclear weapons, and while the US yawned at N. Korea's conventional capacity to level Seoul, we ran to the table to discuss their weak nuclear capacity). ...
In reply to the original post, I don't believe that nuclear weapons are "overrated". I do believe, however, that the destructiveness of so-called "conventional weapons" is greatly under-rated. The US and other Western powers which field them try to minimize civilian casualties when using these weapons. If, instead, we tried to run up the body count and win a war of attrition, I believe...
Matt In principal I agree with your proposition but there are several other points worth considering. First, they are cheap to produce, not expensive. The delivery vehicles are somewhat expensive but not overly so. As to your assertion as to deterrence. I am not sure I agree. I do not think we would be in Iraq today if they had a nuclear capacity. As for the Gulf War scenario ... it...
Hi Matthew, Matthew Smith says: "If the American people would have been told the war could end now if the Emperor of japan kept a minor role in title only they would have jumped on it." ....................... Maybe, maybe not, the trouble is that the big three had agreed on unconditional surrender of japan as the only acceptable terms. I do believe that Truman felt obliged to keep this ...
Matthew Smith, I think the points you raise in your OP are valid and have some merit. I think reasonable people can differ on some of your assertions, this seems to be a situation where there may be validity to multiple points of view. That is what makes good and lively discussions. I generally agree with your assessment on the effect of the atomic bombings on Japan's surrender. You are...
Dodger You know I love you, so don't take this post the wrong way. First, I agree, the bombing of civilian targets is a best, morally dicey. Having said that, the Japanese psychology during the war is ... alien to sanity. I will give you an example, on 24 July 1945 a rumour began circulating in Japan that the government was attempting to surrender. The civilian POPULATION (not the ...
Just in response to the topic of the bombing in Japan, there's something I've always wondered. Maybe one of you can give me an answer. Over the years, I was given two overall (albeit, hazy) theories/stories as to what led to the choice of Little Boy and Fat Man. My grandparents had said that much of the reasoning behind using the A-bombs had to do with payback for what happened in Pearl ...
It does not appear that Truman gave any consideration to either of the theories advanced. His sole goal appeared to be end the war ... now. Moreover, the decision had really been laid down by FDR prior to his death. I cannot for the life of me see that destroying two cities gave any more pay back that the far more devastating attacks on more than 60 Japanese cities already conducted. ...
Number 6, Great post. I understand that there were some very compelling reasons to drop the atomic bombs, along with the incendiary bomb attacks. Yet they failed to surrender does not, in my opinion, translate into an increased strategic threat to the national security of the United States. Surrender or no surrender, they were not in any position to invade the West Coast, Hawaii, ...
FWIW, I think that Number 6 made the definitive post on the subject of the nuclear attacks on Japan. While reading this post by Dodger Fan, I was reminded of things I've read from journalism students that indicated a greatly distorted view of what I think journalism should be. Good journalism should tell the facts, not draw conclusions or advocate for change. History goes beyond ...
"Indeed. The Japanese practically looked at the Conventions and did the exact opposite. I'm not advocating an eye for an eye, but when a bank robber pulls a gun and starts blasting his way through the crowd, the cop is justified in using whatever tool that that comes to hand first to stop him. The analogy is perfect. You don't think so because you can't make a moral distinction between the sides."...
"But, I would also suggest that the fighting men and women of the US military are all accountable to some form of legal and moral requirements that in fact place limits on what they may do, even in the heat of battle. For example the UCMJ. And they are also accountable to the ROE, and I have heard that they have the right, perhaps even duty, to refuse orders that are illegal. I think the last requirement stems from the Nazi officers...
Kyle Ouch, ouch, beat me with a chain. "A harder man? Does that imply less feeling? Perhaps less moral?" Naw, just that you draw the line at a different place than I do. For me combat morality is about staying alive and accomplishing the mission. There is a too far. It seems that your too far is "further" than mine. No less valid, just further. Were you ever a soldier? I was, the nature of morality in...
Kyle, 6, This has become for me a very interesting and stimulating discussion. I truly believe that no mortal human has a monopoly on truth and wisdom, and that reasonable people can respectfully disagree. 6, you wrote: What would you do in the same situation? I can tell you right now, you have absolutely no idea. Adrenaline, fatigue, shock, grief, anger, surrounded by death and violence, ... then put weapons into your hands .... you have...
The assessment of CIA re Soviet objectives and policies was as follows. Right from the start. "The ultimate Soviet objective is to achieve a Communist world order dominated by the USSR. Soviet leaders have clearly shown that they consider themselves engaged in an unceasing and inescapable struggle with the non-Communist countries and that they regard this struggle as essentially a state of war in which any tactic or weapon that...
Just a little correction about a-bomb motivations in '45-please don't call the cessation of japanese occupation "liberation", it was far from it. Many asian nations were handed back to their colonial masters with allied connivance and suppression of nationalist/independance movements. The US policy tacitly supported the return of the empires of europe, in the worst cases the japanese were directed to continue their...
Matt In principal I agree with your proposition but there are several other points worth considering. First, they are cheap to produce, not expensive. The delivery vehicles are somewhat expensive but not overly so. As to your assertion as to deterrence. I am not sure I agree. I do not think we would be in Iraq today if they had a nuclear capacity. As for the Gulf War scenario ... it was all talk. I am sure that the Israeli Prime Minister and...
Your argument is extremely well reasoned, but fails to consider two key points. In both N. Korea and Pakistan, nuclear weapons created huge diplomatic leverage for both (we would probably not still be in Afghanistan if Pakistan lacked nuclear weapons, and while the US yawned at N. Korea's conventional capacity to level Seoul, we ran to the table to discuss their weak nuclear capacity). Further, both also seem to have created a...
In reply to the original post, I don't believe that nuclear weapons are "overrated". I do believe, however, that the destructiveness of so-called "conventional weapons" is greatly under-rated. The US and other Western powers which field them try to minimize civilian casualties when using these weapons. If, instead, we tried to run up the body count and win a war of attrition, I believe that the modern...
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