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Thread: Another 'no start' thread...sorta...

Started 1 month, 1 week ago by 3MiataFamily
OK...I am not one to start redundant threads, but...here goes. i just finished swapping in a '97 motor to my my very high mileage '94. The car that the 'motor came out of was driven into the shop prior to engine removal. Here's what happens...it fires up..runs..for a couople of seconds...then dies. I have double checked all connectors...all are connected. All vacuum hoses are ...
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zetec7 replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Sounds like a fuel pump issue to me. I'd try here - http://www.miata.net/garage/fuelpumpdiag.html to see if that will identify the problem. I suspect you'll find the answer in these diagnostics....

3MiataFamily replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I will give a couple of these tests a try...but I am not thinking fuel pump right now...the pump works and the motor runs...just not long.

randy f replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I'd almost guarantee it's a fuel pump issue... Not that the pump is bad, but the ECU isn't keeping it on. When you turn the key off and on, the fuel pump runs for a second to pressure up, and "prime" so the car will start. BUT if the ECU doesn't see the signal that the car is running, it won't keep the pump on. This is to prevent the pump from dumping a bunch of fuel on a fire or ...

Bill Strohm replied 1 month, 1 week ago
If you are still using the Circuit Opening Relay (by which I mean if it is still in the fuel pump power circuit), I would expect this problem. The 1990 - 1993 Miatas use that component to provide power to the fuel pump. It has two coils. Coil #1 connects +12 volts to the fuel pump when the ignition key is in the START position. So fuel pressure will come up and the engine will run for a couple ...

Trail_Blazer replied 1 month, 1 week ago
This is a longshot, but do you have an aftermarket alarm system with an immobilzer? NAs didn't come from the factory with immobilizers, but what you describe is exactly what happens in an NB if you try to start the car without a key that the ECU has been programmed to accept.

3MiataFamily replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Trail_Blazer This is a longshot, but do you have an aftermarket alarm system with an immobilzer? NAs didn't come from the factory with immobilizers, but what you describe is exactly what happens in an NB if you try to start the car without a key that the ECU has been programmed to accept....

3MiataFamily replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by randy f I'd almost guarantee it's a fuel pump issue... Not that the pump is bad, but the ECU isn't keeping it on. When you turn the key off and on, the fuel pump runs for a second to pressure up, and "prime" so the car will start. BUT if the ECU doesn't see the signal that the car is running, it won't...

3MiataFamily replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by randy f I'd almost guarantee it's a fuel pump issue... Not that the pump is bad, but the ECU isn't keeping it on. When you turn the key off and on, the fuel pump runs for a second to pressure up, and "prime" so the car will start. BUT if the ECU doesn't see the signal that the car is running, it won't...

3MiataFamily replied 1 month, 1 week ago
OK folks...here's the latest and greatest. Checked the codes...got a 12...TPS. Switched the TPS from the old motor. Same thing as before. Starts and dies. Put the original TPS back on. Disconnected the battery to clear the code. Checked that there were no codes and tried to start it one more time. Same thing...starts and dies. checked the codes again. Got a 1....IGF signal ...

3MiataFamily replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Changed the coil pack to the one from the old motor. fired up and stays running...runs fine. Up to temp. Nice when you have spare parts sitting there to swap out on the spot. thanks for the tips and direction to look. a few minor details to finish tomorrow night and I'll be topless motoring once again. Joe

 

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3MiataFamily
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Another 'no start'...
Published (2009-11-16 00:17:00)
Changed the coil pack to the one from the old motor. fired up and stays running...runs fine. Up to temp. Nice when you have spare parts sitting there to swap out on the spot. thanks for the tips and direction to look. a few minor details to finish tomorrow night and I'll be topless motoring once again. Joe
zetec7
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Another 'no start'...
Published (2009-11-15 05:34:00)
Sounds like a fuel pump issue to me. I'd try here - http://www.miata.net/garage/fuelpumpdiag.html to see if that will identify the problem. I suspect you'll find the answer in these diagnostics....
randy f
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Another 'no start'...
Published (2009-11-15 12:20:00)
I'd almost guarantee it's a fuel pump issue... Not that the pump is bad, but the ECU isn't keeping it on. When you turn the key off and on, the fuel pump runs for a second to pressure up, and "prime" so the car will start. BUT if the ECU doesn't see the signal that the car is running, it won't keep the pump on. This is to prevent the pump from dumping a bunch of fuel on a fire or something if the car...
Bill Strohm
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Another 'no start'...
Published (2009-11-15 13:52:00)
If you are still using the Circuit Opening Relay (by which I mean if it is still in the fuel pump power circuit), I would expect this problem. The 1990 - 1993 Miatas use that component to provide power to the fuel pump. It has two coils. Coil #1 connects +12 volts to the fuel pump when the ignition key is in the START position. So fuel pressure will come up and the engine will run for a couple of seconds on that. But when the key drops back to...
Trail_Blazer
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Another 'no start'...
Published (2009-11-15 14:51:00)
This is a longshot, but do you have an aftermarket alarm system with an immobilzer? NAs didn't come from the factory with immobilizers, but what you describe is exactly what happens in an NB if you try to start the car without a key that the ECU has been programmed to accept.

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