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Thread: Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel

Started 2 months ago by PPilki
Hi, I seeking some factual info - good and bad - on the current trend thats sweeping across all the car user forums on the web - adding 2 stroke oil to diesel. I thought this Forum could add some reality to all the "its works for me" type of posts you read elsewhere (Google it, they are endless !). Its the new snake oil - or is it ? I've actually tried it in my Nissan TD42 and it does ...
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PPilki replied 2 months ago
and forgot to add, is there any possibility that using 2 stroke oil (1:200 ratio) will cause any damage ? The only thing I've see is not to use it with DPF set-ups.

evelrod replied 2 months ago
The only thing that I do with my '91 Cummins is to use a "diesel additive" with each fill up to add a bit more lubrication to the pump since we are now using a very low sulfur content fuel. I have a bunch of 2 cycle oil...guess I could try that. It's oil and not much different than the commercial additive...cheaper? Don't know the exact mileage on my Dodge...Bought it new Feb. 1991 and the ...

JSteve2 replied 2 months ago
I don't know whether it works or not. It's not being recommended by the manufacturer because an unapproved additive can put more sulfur in the fuel tank than is in all the fuel, might be illegal, and certainly the manufacturer did not certify the engine that way. Unmodified oil can be 5,000 ppm sulfur or greater, which is 300 times more concentrated than the fuel. I doubt that 2 tablespoons of...

PPilki replied 2 months ago
Guys, I suggest you try it. I was very pleasently surprized on just how different the engine feels and drives, all on the face of it for the better. The keys are: 1:200 ratio. Use a mineral based 2T as sold for saws/mowers (cheaper the better !) etc and not the boat outboard motor stuff and not synthetic. Don't use it in engines built in / after 2007, althought this is up for debate as ...

ivymike replied 2 months ago
I don't know offhand what's actually going on, but your description that the engine "feels and sounds" better says to me that you're likely affecting the rate of pressure rise in-cylinder. Additional lubricity would not, in my opinion, make an externally-discernable difference. That said, I'm not sure what would account for a change in the rate of pressure rise given what you've said you've...

ivymike replied 2 months ago
1:200 ratio doesn't seem typical online. An example from another forum: "I use a mix of 1 quart 2-stroke oil, and 1 quart of Power Service Diesel Kleen per tank of fuel - EVERY fillup!" I don't know how big his tank is, but I suspect it's less than 200qts (probably more like 80qts).

BrianPetersen replied 2 months ago
A diesel engine will run on a remarkably wide range of fuels, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea for emissions, durability of seals, etc. If you can make them run on waste vegetable oil (for a while) you can make them run on straight motor oil ... Using an excessive amount of 2-stroke oil probably won't damage anything on an older non-emission-controlled diesel with no ...

SomptingGuy replied 2 months ago
( Sounding better could be due to heat release shaping. Feeling better is probably subjective, based on the above. Adding unspecified cack to fuel may or may not improve the lubricity of the fuel, but pumps and injectors generally outlive engines. anyway. I always used to pee into my compost heap. , )

ivymike replied 2 months ago
you can make them run on straight motor oil there are kits for large trucks (mining, etc) that cause the engine to consume a controlled amount of its own oil along with the fuel, so that clean oil can be continuously added and oil changes avoided.

patprimmer replied 2 months ago
( A major oil leak into the cylinders on a diesel can actually cause a runaway engine. The two stroke oil is formulated to lubricate when mixed with fuel and to burn with it. The combustion products do no harm to 2 strokes. It could be safely assumed that no damage would occur to a diesel where components are similar. Exhaust emission controls on modern diesels will be different to the exhaust ...

 

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PPilki
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-29 04:47:00)
OK guys, hold back, snake oil it is then.  I knew I could rely on you lot to put me straight ! To put a slightly different twist on the discussion, whats the best way of adding some sulphur back into ULSD for the old timer motors that need this for lubrication ? Once you've got the sulphur levels back up (is there a limit ?) do you need to consider what spec of sump oil you use to cope with the new sulphur ? Or is there...
ivymike
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-29 14:19:00)
not necessarily the same as what happens in fuel, but... h ttp://www. noria.com/ learning_c enter/cate gory_artic le.asp?art icleid=496 How Do EP Gear Oils Protect Against Wear? EP gear oils contain additives that prevent metal surfaces from cold welding under the extreme pressure conditions found in situations where boundary lubrication prevails. At the high local temperatures associated with metal-to-metal contact, an EP additive combines...
JSteve2
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-28 15:59:00)
It is well documented and repeatable that if you get your blood alcohol content up to about 1:300 you can be plastered to the back of your seat (although you shouldn't get in your car then). Don't go for 1:200 or you might be dead.
evelrod
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-29 13:15:00)
I can only add my experience with my own Dodge, a '91  one ton duelly.  Bought it new in Feb '91, odo quit at 186k sometime around 1999/2000 so I'm guessing it has something less that 400k on it now.  Never used much additives as I never saw/felt any improvement.  The thing still runs as new, not much smoke, no oil used between services...I hate to say it...
SomptingGuy
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-30 06:09:00)
( ... you'd need to get all your information from a bloke in the pub. , )
patprimmer
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-27 06:00:00)
( I take it your Pajero was pre current pollution laws for diesels.   , )
LadaTrouble
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-28 02:46:00)
[I take it your Pajero was pre current pollution laws for diesels.] We have no pollution laws in New Zealand - EGR's are plugged,and cats cut off.  
JWaterstreet
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-28 14:55:00)
I agree that people may be able to hear/detect subtle differences in engine sound.  That said, I don't believe anyone that says they can detect a change in sound or performance by going to a 1:200 ratio mix of oil and diesel vs straight diesel. This is snake-oil effect at its finest hour.
BrianPetersen
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-29 09:14:00)
Also, as I understand it, it's a myth that sulfur itself acts as a lubricant. It's a holdover from the original process that was used to remove sulfur when "low sulfur diesel" (500 ppm) was first implemented ... the process accidentally removed other compounds that are the actual lubricants. When the process was corrected, the problem went away. ULSD should not have this problem because the issue is well known now. So, it...
drwebb
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Adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel
Published (2009-10-29 07:04:00)
Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel in most western countries is supposed to meet a specification for lubricity, measured by an apparatus called a High Frequency Reciporicating Rig. So prolly the best way to put your mind at ease is to get your diesel from a reputable supplier.  I have some familiarity with the test method (from a project looking at gasoline instead of diesel), and my experience is almost any lubricity improver will...

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