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Thread: AGW Alarmists should not fly first class

Started 1 month, 1 week ago by Chief Pedant
If one takes the position that AGW is real and that "we"--mankind--should do "something" about it, one has accepted a premise of responsibility to a greater good. Having accepted that premise constrains one to either acting according to the premise of responsibility or else acting hypocritically. I hold that no AGW alarmist who is also of the opinion that there is some sort of larger ...
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Finagle replied 1 month, 1 week ago
I'm confused. How does a first class passenger have a larger carbon footprint than the mooks back in steerage? The extra energy to heat the hot towels? Unless you're willing to argue that the airlines are going to trash the first class section and put more dense seating up front, you could equally well argue that first class passengers are doing a public service by filling (expensive) ...

Broomstick replied 1 month, 1 week ago
First of all, I think I've figured out that the "GW" part of "AGW" is global warming, but it would be helpful if at some point you made it crystal clear what your acronyms stand for. Second - for extreme long distances, and overseas travel would qualify, flight is arguably more efficient that some other modes of transport, particularly if the aircraft is filled to capacity. So it's not ...

Squink replied 1 month, 1 week ago
No one should listen to silly moralizers.

Blake replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Broomstick Second - for extreme long distances, and overseas travel would qualify, flight is arguably more efficient that some other modes of transport, particularly if the aircraft is filled to capacity. So it's not just a matter of "flight=bad" but that you have to look at the particulars of any one ...

Oregon sunshine replied 1 month, 1 week ago

Der Trihs replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Is air travel even a significant contributor to CO2? And besides; there presently isn't any good alternative to petrochemical burning engines for long range flight. As opposed to power plants and cars, which do have such alternatives. So it's not really a good example; point out a person outspoken on AGW who drives a gas guzzler and you'd have a better point. Although the only point you'd ...

Captain Amazing replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Blake Nobody is arguing that flight is bad. Issue is first class flight. Because of the extra large seats and extra leg room, first class flight means that the aircraft can not be filled to capacity. So it seems that you agree. Right, and if first class flight were gotten rid of, airline...

Raygun99 replied 1 month, 1 week ago
The difference between your analogy and reality is that while you can't unbeat a wife, you can remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Blake replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Der Trihs, for your benefit will repeat: Nobody is arguing that flight is bad. Issue is first class flight. Because of the extra large seats and extra leg room, first class flight means that the aircraft can not be filled to capacity. So it seems that you agree.

Der Trihs replied 1 month, 1 week ago
Quote: Originally Posted by Blake Der Trihs, for your benefit will repeat: Nobody is arguing that flight is bad. Issue is first class flight. Because of the extra large seats and extra leg room, first class flight means that the aircraft can not be filled to capacity. So it seems that you agree. Not until you can ...

 

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AGW Alarmists should not fly...
Published (2009-11-23 16:58:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by elucidator Quote: Originally Posted by elucidator ....Finally, elucidator, it is now 2:23 AM, and I've answered (I believe) all of Kimstu's points. I hope that you are satisfied that I have acted honorably as you whined about in this thread, but I suppose you'll find something to object to, that I haven't done it like you would have done it, or that I left an "i" undotted, or...
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Published (2009-11-19 21:59:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by intention I believe you are referring to Tenneke's statement: How is that a lie? Al Gore did paint the picture, so that's not a lie. Tenneke does think it is without merit, so that's not a lie. Seems you have a very wide definition of a lie. Your counterclaim is simply that Al didn't put a time frame on the prediction ... but Tennekes didn't say he did, so that's not a lie either. Love...
GIGObuster
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Published (2009-11-22 16:07:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by intention Bullshit. I notice that (as usual) you offer no citation for your claim. I offer Eisenhower's words, people can decide for themselves. Emphasis mine. Quote: largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. And then he mentions the scientific component of that technological revolution. He was referring to the...
elucidator
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Published (2009-11-23 19:52:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by UTejas ...So let me ask you, why do you trumpet your "publications" and "citations" when they are not peer-reviewed? ... To be ruthlessly fair, he has hardly "trumpeted". He has only made passing references, maybe forty or fifty times. Tops!
Blake
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Published (2009-11-23 03:51:00)
Sigh, yet again Mr. Dibble following me around, making no contribution, and sniping.
Kimstu
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Published (2009-11-20 01:41:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by elucidator That wasn't a post, that was a panzergruppen. Aw 'luc , you say the sweetest things.
Sam Stone
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AGW Alarmists should not fly...
Published (2009-11-16 19:38:00)
With all due respects to both sides of the, "My scientists are better than your scientists" debate, you're all engaging in pretty unscientific argumentation. Science isn't a popularity contest. There are plenty examples from the history of science where the overwhelming majority of scientists happened to be wrong. This especially happens when a new theory comes along which challenges a widely held orthodoxy. The...
Chief Pedant
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Published (2009-11-17 19:02:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by intention The efficiency of flying depends on how many seats are filled. Given that passenger average loading is only 75%, in general the limiting factor is not first class vs. no first class. Without first class, they will still average right around 75% full. However, I find it interesting that you have so much trouble getting your questions answered. I fly a little over a hundred segments a year. I must be...
Sage Rat
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AGW Alarmists should not fly...
Published (2009-11-14 14:48:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Blake Yet most people spend more of their waking hours at work than anywhere else. So that seems like an unusual exemption. For example you are saying that if a law forced a contractor to use electric tools rather than petrol powered ones, and that meant that he worked longer hours, worked physically harder, suffered more injuries, spent less time with his kids and earned less money, that he would still have...
Der Trihs
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Published (2009-11-14 19:53:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Blake Quote: Originally Posted by Der Trihs I am - obviously - pointing out that the problem is too much CO2; that CO2 is not intrinsically evil like slavery. So your comparison between the two was silly. Still not making an ounce of sense. We're talking about moral and immoral, not good and evil. Gore has stated that the consequences of emitting CO2 into the atmosphere is a moral issue. I assume you...

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