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Thread: .45 ACP Cartridge "Trim-To" Length

Started 2 months ago by wheelgunn
After breaking-in my .45 ACP Kimber with factory ball ammo, I tried some 185gr Nosler JHP handloads and had several FTFeeds in the 1st 100 rounds. Checking the Lyman 49th edition manual, it states that the "trim to" is .888". I bought a Lyman trimmer and trimmed approx. 150 WIN cartridges to .888" before noticing other guides (Nosler, Lee, Hornady) give .898 as the standard and .895" as the "...
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ScreamingCockatoo replied 2 months ago
I have never had to trim a 45 auto case. Ever. Load one and try it. *shrug* The case flips up into the extractor which holds it against the breech face anyway. It should work.

rcjohnson replied 2 months ago
I think that's too short but others may have more experience and tell you low pressure (target) loads might be okay. The cartridge headspace is defined by the distance from the breech face to the rim in the chamber against which the case rim rests. The extractor helps hold the case against the breech, but the extra space would allow the brass to stretch potentially to the point you get a case ...

AZtrigger replied 2 months ago
Hornady 7th edition recommends a max case length of .898 All 4 of my Speer manuals say .898 Alliant manual 2008 .898 Barnes manual #4 .888 IMR recommends .893 Hogdon online recommends .893 Sierra recommends .893 Vihtavuori recommends .893 Looks to me like most powder manufacturers favor a .893 length while most bullet manufacturers prefer .898 Barnes does publish a .888 length though....

wheelgunn replied 2 months ago
quote: Originally posted by rcjohnson: I think that's too short but others may have more experience and tell you low pressure (target) loads might be okay. That might not happen the first time or any time, especially with lower pressure loads, but new brass can be gotten as "cheap" (haha! get it "cheap" -- NOT) as 15 cents. I'd chalk the $22.50 up to experience, and send Lyman an email ...

AZtrigger replied 2 months ago
Having a case trimmer is a good thing. Case trimmers come in real handy with necked down rounds (.357 SIG or most rifles rounds). Consider your purchase an investment in your future rifle round reloading hobby! I think I would e-mail Lyman and Barnes (since they both publish .888 length) and verify that this is correct. Let them know that everyone else publishes lengths at .893+ and see what ...

rcjohnson replied 2 months ago
Couple of other options before you toss the brass - barrels can have slightly more or less headspace. Have a smith measure yours, if it's closer to the "no go" side it might be fine with that brass. If it's got any excessive headspace, though, I'd start to be more wary. I'd call Lyman and ask them to verify their 0.888 and whether 0.005 is that big of a deal. I may have jumped the gun if more...

wheelgunn replied 2 months ago
Thanks for the help everyone. I have emailed both Speer and Lyman and should have a answer within a couple of days. I will post their responses when I receive them. Ken

fredj338 replied 2 months ago
Ken you should be fine. The extractor wiil hold slightly short cases in place for firing. FWIW, I have never trimmed a service pistol case of any caliber. I do trim magnum rev. cases when needed. The higher pressures & longer brass seems to stretch a bit more. Rifle rounds, some need trimming every other firing.

wheelgunn replied 2 months ago
The following is the response from the Lyman Customer Service Dept. (custsvc@cshore.com) : "The industry spec for 45 ACP case length is .888" to .898". Any length between these figures is safe to use. We selected a trim-to length of .888" as most factory brass will be close to this length." It would appear that the trimmed cases are OK to use, but I think I'll keep the charges fairly light. ...

bugs100 replied 2 months ago
An easy solution is to buy a 45 revolver...

 

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wheelgunn
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-07 15:02:00)
The following is the confirmation response from Speer. Both Speer and Lyman returned my email in a timely manner. Good customer service is alive and well! ".888 is the minimum case length spec for 45 Auto. Max is .898. If you keep the case length between these two dimensions you will have no problems. Maintaining a consistent length will be make for more uniform performance, particularly if you are using a taper crimp die in your loading...
rcjohnson
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-05 13:43:00)
Thanks for posting that info - I will now put on my big girl panties and worry less about trim legnth to the extent I find them changing.
AZtrigger
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-04 16:38:00)
Having a case trimmer is a good thing. Case trimmers come in real handy with necked down rounds (.357 SIG or most rifles rounds). Consider your purchase an investment in your future rifle round reloading hobby! I think I would e-mail Lyman and Barnes (since they both publish .888 length) and verify that this is correct. Let them know that everyone else publishes lengths at .893+ and see what they say.
fredj338
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-12-02 17:50:00)
quote: Originally posted by ScottG: I've never trimmed a 45 case....never. And I've shot them till they split (not on purpose) with no problems. BIG +1!
ScreamingCockatoo
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-04 15:08:00)
I have never had to trim a 45 auto case. Ever. Load one and try it. *shrug* The case flips up into the extractor which holds it against the breech face anyway. It should work.
bugs100
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-05 13:07:00)
An easy solution is to buy a 45 revolver...
AZSigs
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-05 14:07:00)
quote: Originally posted by wheelgunn: After breaking-in my .45 ACP Kimber with factory ball ammo, I tried some 185gr Nosler JHP handloads and had several FTFeeds in the 1st 100 rounds. as the standard and .895" as the "trim-to". The failure to feed may be more related to your crimp. Check yours as 0.468 should work OK.
Gik-Tal
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-06 19:59:00)
I trim mine between .887 and .890 and they work just fine. The most important thing is to have them as close as possible to all being the same length. That way you get an standard crimping on all rounds.
gundog55
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-09 14:51:00)
If you must trim 45 acp brass, then trim to the max. Unlike rifle or bottle neck cartridges, 45 acp will actually shrink rather than stretch with repeated firing and reloading.
florida boy
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.45 ACP Cartridge...
Published (2009-11-14 15:01:00)
I have reloaded many,many, many thousands of 45 acp and never trimmed a case and probably have a mix of 8-10 different case brands.

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