Thread: 2nd Amendment & Gun Control, Is There A middle Ground

Quote: Originally Posted by 22shooter Amazing! Brilliant! I bow to your insight. He was still wrong. Only about the fact that “ALL” the states “MUST” vote yes. The problem is far to many people don’t “read” the Constitution. It self-explanatory. Also far to many believe and will argue that if the Constitution does not say the government “cant” do it...

Quote: Originally Posted by Jerry And obviously you don’t remember what you read. "I" never said the Constitution couldn’t be amended. In fact I stated more than once that “only” Congress “can” amend the Constitution and it is not open for interpretation. I never said there couldn’t be “any” gun laws. I ask you to name some and told you the two you named were useless, (I believe I used the word stupid) and unconstitutional....

At the end of the day, I do not believe that we will ever find a middle ground, since those who want "reasonable" gun controls tend to define "reasonable" as no guns for anybody except the wealthy and politically well-connected. Also, if gun owners are in the minority then why do recent polls suggest that well over half the people believe that guns laws should be left alone or relaxed? Why does over 80% of the general...

Quote: Originally Posted by tc556guy People who wish to pass laws because of criminal activity, in an attempt to limit instances of that activity from continuing, are not irrational. Once again, put the blame for these laws where it belongs, on the criminal. Tc556guy, Here is your arguement: I cannot own certain firearms and/or do certain moral things with firearms because there are laws limiting my actions, and the reason for these laws that...

I do not like to say it, but your reasoning ability is not well developed. In many cases, you are unable to see the inherent contradictions in your own arguments. Now, you may view this as a flame, but it's not. Most people will agree with your views. They are still wrong, and guilty of confusing beliefs with logic. Quote: Originally Posted by tc556guy Laws exist because society has agreed that in the interest of order, individual freedom...

Quote: Originally Posted by tc556guy I don't believe that it would result in a Revolution, either. There would be some fringe guys; after all, on just about any issue regarding government you'll have a few people that take any possible position imaginable...... but no widespread sentiment that would cause a revolt. King George III probably said something similar. It's a good thing America had 'fringe guys' back then....

Jerry Thanks for correcting my faulty memory! tc556guy I tried to read that conveluted paper they call a Constitution in NY- Just thinking about it makes my head hurt- I never seen or read anywhere in it that a NYer has a right to own/bare firearms. Tons of stuff on how the state can and will tax you! Tons of ways to make you a criminal, very little on rights of the people of NY.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jerry Only about the fact that “ALL” the states “MUST” vote yes. The problem is far to many people don’t “read” the Constitution. It self-explanatory. Well, I guess you just eliminated the need for the Supreme Court. People who have made a lifetime of studying the Constitution and its historical context, brilliant and learned people who know much more about it than you and I ever will, often differ about...

Quote: Originally Posted by Nytmayr If only these "common-sense laws" were just that. However, they are just a way to paint their extremist agenda as something no "reasonable" person could possibly oppose. The problem lies in the fact that in their effort to "combat crime" their actions restrict the rights of those who do not commit crimes, and those same actions have little (if any) effect on real criminals. One...

Quote: Originally Posted by stratispho The law is nothing more then what one tyrannical leader says it is, enforced by someone in a black robe. Amen Brother. Never give in, never give up.