Is there really a trinity ? Can you explain ? The night before he is martyred, Jesus is in the garden praying. Who was he praying to? Himself in heaven, as part of a trinity? Where was Almighty God?
JeanPaul wrote: Is there really a trinity ? Can you explain ? The night before he is martyred, Jesus is in the garden praying. Who was he praying to? Himself in heaven, as part of a trinity? Where was Almighty God? To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus...
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bonny wrote: now that doesn't make sense. did jesus pray to himself ? No He prayed to his Father you do not understand the doctrine you are being critical of God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is ...
bonny wrote: now that doesn't make sense. did jesus pray to himself ? Trinity is pagan, that is one thing that JWs do have correct. It was adopted as church doctrine at the council of Nicia, along with Easter. Before this there was a division of beliefs on this matter. People can justify, try to explains it, but the trinity is silly, and if there was a sacrifice (something I do not...
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hollieberry wrote: <quoted text> The Trinity is NOT pagan! Read and learn: http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-not-pagan... Christian apologetic sites are crap!. Trinity was adopted into Christianity as church law at the council of Nicia. Trinity is Pagan (not that pagan is bad) Christmas is Pagan Easter is Pagan And Christianity is a bad copy ...
bonny wrote: now that doesn't make sense. did jesus pray to himself ? Did you REALLY read it? Try this one: http://www.altupc.com/altupc/articles/jespray...
No GodNeeded wrote: <quoted text> Trinity is pagan, that is one thing that JWs do have correct. It was adopted as church doctrine at the council of Nicia, along with Easter. Before this there was a division of beliefs on this matter. People can justify, try to explains it, but the trinity is silly, and if there was a sacrifice (something I do not believe anyway) the trinity would make it ...
AND HOLLIE look here Sources, authorities and "historical experts" quoted by anti-Trinitarians are invalid! In fact, they often quote themselves as their own expert! Kind of like calling yourself as a witness to your own trial! Jehovah's Witnesses, for example have thousands of publications to chose from! Many of their examples of pagan Trinitarian gods, are nothing more than picking 3 of that ...
No GodNeeded wrote: <quoted text> Christian apologetic sites are crap!. Trinity was adopted into Christianity as church law at the council of Nicia. Trinity is Pagan (not that pagan is bad) Christmas is Pagan Easter is Pagan And Christianity is a bad copy of Egyptian mythology with paganism mixed in. If it where not for the Pagans, Christians would not have any fun holidays. Well, we ...
No GodNeeded wrote: <quoted text> Well there you go, We have to agree to disagree because the bible is about as valid proof of God to me, as Alice in Wonderland is proof of the Mad Hatter. There were 1000's of God claims before Jesus. Jesus is just the latest in the claims. Sorry you feel this way. I will keep you in my prayers.
Blessed are the Merciful wrote: <quoted text> Hi HaShomer, If you will notice, Jesus' hand, and the Father's hand are the ONE same hand. Jesus explained this by saying 'I and the Father are one.' There are not two seperate or distinct hands. The Father's hand is the Son's hand. The Father's sheep are the Son's sheep. They are all kept in ONE hand. The Father is in Jesus and the Son is in...
Judged: 1 1 HaShomer wrote: <quoted text> Shalom Blessed, would you like to comment on the following verses: John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to me, is GREATER than ALL; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's...
dee lightful wrote: <quoted text> I read your quote. They both say the same thing. Forgive me Boni, but you question that you said I refuse to answer is a dumb question and didn't think it deserve an answer but because you doubt it here you go. of course I believe Jesus is the Son of God. You quote 1John 5:6 but ignore the next verse. You are not reading in context. The three witnesses are in agreement with each other. Now...
Judged: 1 1 1 hmmmm, you must be delerious..... better go check what you have been doing on this thread. i didn't count them, but wasn't it aroud 12 posts at a time in a row, as you attempt to prove that the word of god is not really god's word, but instead is someone else? the pharisees were doing the same thing! they hated the word of god in the flesh.
In Greek if you leave off the article from theos in a sentence like the one in John 1:1c, then your readers will assume you mean a god. The kind of sentence we are dealing with is one with be-verb, where the predicate noun (theos) is in the same noun form (the same case) as the subject noun (ho logos). In this subject (normative) form, the definite article is really indispensable for making the noun definite. Its absence makes...
Judged: 1 1 Since the other day, I noticed that TOPIX reported no new responses to my last (and very well worded) post here. I was surprised to think that anything I might say could shut you morons up, since you cannot be reasoned with; -but it was a nice thought while it lasted. Today, I searched my internet history in order to dig up this thread again (since I never bothered to bookmark it) and then I found out why the jackals took a break...
Judged: 1 HaShomer wrote: Do you understand what the above verses say? Not for private interpretation! Shalom Hashomer - I hate to butt in here, but really - if the verse don't put your pearls before swine applies, this would be it. I've seen some of the crudest, immoral posts from this person. He/She is not interested in the word of YHVH at all. Also goes by the name "Spike Tassel". Just thought I'd let you...
Judged: 1 1 hi blessed well you know I that john 1:1c is a direct mistranslation of "theos" putting a "ho" were it isn't? John 1:14 (New International Version) 14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[a] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. I'm surprise at you using john 1:14 the word becoming flesh here is a...
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