Is there really a trinity ? Can you explain ? The night before he is martyred, Jesus is in the garden praying. Who was he praying to? Himself in heaven, as part of a trinity? Where was Almighty God?
JeanPaul wrote: Is there really a trinity ? Can you explain ? The night before he is martyred, Jesus is in the garden praying. Who was he praying to? Himself in heaven, as part of a trinity? Where was Almighty God? To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus...
bonny wrote: now that doesn't make sense. did jesus pray to himself ? Trinity is pagan, that is one thing that JWs do have correct. It was adopted as church doctrine at the council of Nicia, along with Easter. Before this there was a division of beliefs on this matter. People can justify, try to explains it, but the trinity is silly, and if there was a sacrifice (something I do not...
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bonny wrote: now that doesn't make sense. did jesus pray to himself ? No He prayed to his Father you do not understand the doctrine you are being critical of God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is ...
bonny wrote: now that doesn't make sense. did jesus pray to himself ? Did you REALLY read it? Try this one: http://www.altupc.com/altupc/articles/jespray...
No GodNeeded wrote: <quoted text> Trinity is pagan, that is one thing that JWs do have correct. It was adopted as church doctrine at the council of Nicia, along with Easter. Before this there was a division of beliefs on this matter. People can justify, try to explains it, but the trinity is silly, and if there was a sacrifice (something I do not believe anyway) the trinity would make it ...
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hollieberry wrote: <quoted text> The Trinity is NOT pagan! Read and learn: http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-not-pagan... Christian apologetic sites are crap!. Trinity was adopted into Christianity as church law at the council of Nicia. Trinity is Pagan (not that pagan is bad) Christmas is Pagan Easter is Pagan And Christianity is a bad copy ...
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hollieberry wrote: <quoted text> The Trinity is NOT pagan! Read and learn: http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-not-pagan... Don't even bother to arge with them over something we have presented scripture to back .Our job is show the scripture ..........period and as ytou can see they cannot comprehend it si they attack it and one does not know the ...
No GodNeeded wrote: <quoted text> Christian apologetic sites are crap!. Trinity was adopted into Christianity as church law at the council of Nicia. Trinity is Pagan (not that pagan is bad) Christmas is Pagan Easter is Pagan And Christianity is a bad copy of Egyptian mythology with paganism mixed in. If it where not for the Pagans, Christians would not have any fun holidays. Well, we ...
AND HOLLIE look here Sources, authorities and "historical experts" quoted by anti-Trinitarians are invalid! In fact, they often quote themselves as their own expert! Kind of like calling yourself as a witness to your own trial! Jehovah's Witnesses, for example have thousands of publications to chose from! Many of their examples of pagan Trinitarian gods, are nothing more than picking 3 of that ...
Judged: 1 1 1 red blood relative wrote: hmmmm, you must be delerious..... better go check what you have been doing on this thread. i didn't count them, but wasn't it aroud 12 posts at a time in a row, as you attempt to prove that the word of god is not really god's word, but instead is someone else? the pharisees were doing the same thing! they hated the word of god in the flesh. HalleluYah! I like Paul I'm a Pharisee when...
Judged: 1 1 1 Blessed are the Merciful wrote: You have yet to show where the LOGOS was 'sent' from heaven down to earth. Every verse you have given shows the LOGOS 'comming down' from Heaven. I said in the beginning of my reply: "Well, if you will agree that the person who we know as the Logos is Jesus Christ, then these Scriptures have some interesting things to say about Jesus' pre-human and separate...
HaShomer wrote: The Angel of YHVH had the same authority in him What do you mean by the 'same authority'? I hope you arent saying any angel ever had the same authority as the Son of God. What do you understand as the differences beteween the angel's who represented YHWH, and Jesus Christ, the Son of God?
Reniaa wrote: Spirit of Jehovah came upon him in power the Spirit of God came upon him in power with power, with the Holy Spirit holy spirit is a force from God it is a power we have access too we use it and thats thats. It is used by God, by Jesus, by angels, and then us. Ah ha, so the Holy Spirit is a kind of super-dooper intergalactic celestial electricity power grid? Like God, Jesus, and the angels, we have access too and we...
Judged: 1 1 1 hmmmm, you must be delerious..... better go check what you have been doing on this thread. i didn't count them, but wasn't it aroud 12 posts at a time in a row, as you attempt to prove that the word of god is not really god's word, but instead is someone else? the pharisees were doing the same thing! they hated the word of god in the flesh.
Youycan add to the above:- The title ho theos [the God, or God], which now designates the Father as a personal reality, is not applied in the N[ew] T[estament] to Jesus Himself; Jesus is the Son of God (of ho theos).... Jn 1:1 should rigorously be translated the word was with the God [=the Father], and the word was a divine being.Dictionary of the Bible (1965), by John L. McKenzie, S.J.
HaShomer wrote: <quoted text> One god, in three distinct persons, that is what Trinitarians believe, correct? Does working together for One purpose make the three one god? If so, then we could say that since we also have one purpose with the Father, and Yahushua and that is to do YHVH's will, then we also are part of this trinity, right dee.! it simply means three person working together to fulfil God's plan. Like the...
Judged: 1 1 Since the other day, I noticed that TOPIX reported no new responses to my last (and very well worded) post here. I was surprised to think that anything I might say could shut you morons up, since you cannot be reasoned with; -but it was a nice thought while it lasted. Today, I searched my internet history in order to dig up this thread again (since I never bothered to bookmark it) and then I found out why the jackals took a break...
Boni wrote: <quoted text> Look at those versed you alluded to. Where do any of them say "The Trinity consists of three Persons"? <quoted text> Red herring. Jesus being Michael or not Michael has no bearing on **YOUR** Trinity arguments. Your attempt at a diversion was too transparent. I asked you: where is the general concept that God is a composite Deity of three co-equal, co-almighty,...
Judged: 1 HaShomer wrote: <quoted text> as YHVH told Eve after they transgressed His command: Genesis 3: 15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel." It seems to me that there are two seeds, the seed of the woman, Messiah, and the seed of the serpent, the anti-messiah. Hum? But let me not digress, I believe...
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