Thread: 10mm vs. .45 ACP for home defense?

quote: Originally posted by GlockBaby Didn't anyone bother to note that John Browning designed the 1911 with a 200 grain bullet, originally, at about 1000 fps, and, the defense department wanted a heavier bullet? Guess Browning wasn't very smart... That was a dumb comment to make about Mr. Browning. He comes out with a preliminary design and you suggest he wasn't very smart. Sounds like you're the one lacking in that...

And of course, nothing can improve since 1911. Ask your buddy at Lockheed if the planes have gotten any better since 1911.

quote: Originally posted by MDO8 Sorry you'd love to paint that "illogical" picture and play a victim here but it's simply not true. Nope, I'm not playing a victim, nor do I feel victimized in anyway by our exchange, but your reliance on logical errors (and derogatory remarks) is not only true but very obvious. quote: Originally posted by MDO8 You have admitted to not being able to provide any background to anything...

quote: Background to???: If you don't undestand then I can't help you. quote: You know what they say about assuming. Assumption is based on little or no facts, so it's different here. You have admitted foundation shortcomings and completely dismissed variables as "nonexistent." Now someone with even the most basic of degrees in science would have been exposed to the scientific theory and thus would have been able to...

Re: 10mm vs. .45 ACP for home defense? quote: Originally posted by Landmonster Until recently, I had completely disregarded the 10mm as anything other than a hunting or woodland cartridge. I believed the 10mm was too powerful, too scarce, or too hard to control to be an effective combat cartridge. After doing more research, I may have been mistaken. Perhaps the 10mm is the ultimate combat pistol cartridge, as long as the shooter can control...

Ok...you talked me into it. I'll keep playing. I'm guessing that this is the part of the message you'd like me to address. Here goes. quote: Originally posted by glock20c10mm degoodman, here is what I think(quoted from a post I posted to fredj338 on the 8th); "....a higher velocity round with a bullet of medium to low sectional density, "slaps" someone harder than lower velocity rounds with any bullet."...

quote: Originally posted by uz2busmc Fred, Exactly, if the bullet has lots of energy, does'nt just wizz on through and dump's all of it's energy- it's going to do a better job. So energy does matter, wow, thanx again for the help. You're the best person on our team in this argument against you. You make no sense at all & stop being so condescending. From a guy that doesnt' get the concept of bullet...

quote: Originally posted by glock20c10mm Thankyou REC and gary newport. I appreciate the info. I think the most interesting thing to know would be the velocity they were achieving in WWI. I believe the .45 ACP had a nominal MV of 850 FPS with a 230 grain bullet from 1911 on.

I believe EITHER caliber will do nicely for home defense. Since the 10mm has the edge in the penetration category, go with a lighter JHP so that the round's energy stays in a target. With the .45 use a heavier JHP so that the bullet goes deeply enough. Debating which of these 2 rounds is more effective for defense is like arguing whether a 12 gauge slug or a load of 000 buckshot is a more efficient stopper. Both pistol rounds are heavy...

Re: Re: 10MM quote: Originally posted by degoodman Speciic one off examples prove NOTHING. I'm sure there are people who can rapid fire the .500 Smith and look like they're firing a 9mm. Across large populations of shooters the 10mm has far more control problems than the other Glock calibers. It has the highest energy with full power loads, and thus the highest recoil. No way around those physics. You're also talking about a...