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Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago (2008-10-11 00:00:00)
by fair4all
Judged: 1 1 1 I read that "It took 50 years to induce lung cancer in laboratory animals forced to breathe tobacco smoke (remember those pictures of rows of smoking beagles with cigarettes fixed in their masks?" so how can the statments in this article be true?
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago (2008-10-12 00:00:00)
by KHartman
Judged: 2 1 1 BleuJei wrote: The fact that canines and felines contract cancer is being erroneously linked to that EVIL that people do: smoking. You offer no objective evidence to support your claim that the linkage is erroneous.
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago (2008-10-12 00:00:00)
by KHartman
Judged: 1 1 1 BleuJei wrote: <quoted text> You offer no "objective" evidence to support your claim that the linkage is not. But I did. That is what triggered your initial response: KHartman wrote: <quoted text> http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/ful... "Feline malignant lymphoma occurs commonly in domestic cats and may serve as a model for non-...
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago (2008-10-12 00:00:00)
by KHartman
Judged: 1 BleuJei wrote: <quoted text> OK: to humor you, Ken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lymphoma_in_anim... "...Cats living with smokers are more than twice as likely to develop lymphoma." Do you think that really supports your position?
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago (2008-10-12 00:00:00)
by KHartman
Judged: 1 1 1 Aloxety wrote: <quoted text> ...that's simply not true with respect to what BlueJei and I were discussing with you... Here's the sum total of your "discussion" with me on this topic: Aloxety wrote: <quoted text> Why would you say that when you KNOW that negative results aren't publishable? A blanket statement, with no qualifiers, phrased ...
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago (2008-10-12 00:00:00)
by KHartman
BleuJei wrote: <quoted text> Given the fact the the "present day target" is SHS and the [claims] that it poses a health risk to innocent bystanders (and now pets), how can I possibly post a link that would [prove] otherwise? Maybe when the hyperbolic hysteria dies down a bit, hmmm? Bleu, you really don't understand how science works. You seem to think we all get a memo describing the ...
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago (2008-10-12 00:00:00)
by KHartman
Aloxety wrote: <quoted text> Why would you say that when you KNOW that negative results aren't publishable? You are mistaken. 25% of articles included in the PubMed database describe negative results. 59 percent of NCI-supported trials are published, half of which reported negative results.
Started 1 month, 3 weeks ago (2008-10-12 00:00:00)
by KHartman
Judged: 1 1 1 BleuJei wrote: The fact that canines and felines contract cancer is being erroneously linked to that EVIL that people do: smoking. BleuJei wrote: <quoted text> Being exposed to ETS is secondary to being genetically or virally exposed. So, you now accept the fact that ETS may contribute to cancer in cats? No one claimed that there was ...
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Judged: 1 1 1 KHartman wrote: <quoted text> <quoted text> So, you now accept the fact that ETS may contribute to cancer in cats? No one claimed that there was only a single cause of cancer in cats. But ETS is a contributing factor to cancer in pets. If you would like to deny that link, please post a case control study that shows NO effect of ETS exposure. Given the fact the the "present day...
Judged: 1 1 1 BleuJei wrote: The fact that canines and felines contract cancer is being erroneously linked to that EVIL that people do: smoking. BleuJei wrote: <quoted text> Being exposed to ETS is secondary to being genetically or virally exposed. So, you now accept the fact that ETS may contribute to cancer in cats? No one claimed that there was only a single cause of cancer in cats. But ETS is a contributing factor to cancer...
KHartman wrote: <quoted text> I think that most smokers can estimate fairly accurately how many cigarettes they smoke. who's counting LOL, lord people can be freaky nosy. Now how do they confirm that anyone tells them the truth LOL
Judged: 1 KHartman wrote: Here's the sum total of your "discussion" with me on this topic: Oh give me a break, K. It seemed pretty clear that my response was to your statement to BlueJei: "If you would like to deny that link, please post a case control study that shows NO effect of ETS exposure." KHartman wrote: A blanket statement, with no qualifiers, phrased as a snotty question. Now, in response to...
KHartman wrote: <quoted text> Here's the sum total of your "discussion" with me on this topic: <quoted text> A blanket statement, with no qualifiers, phrased as a snotty question. Now, in response to a quick demonstration that what you said is wrong, you want to restate your point, and exclude clinical trials. You still do not offer any evidence to support your original statement/question. As...
Judged: 2 2 1 BleuJei wrote: There is NO limit to what the lack of decency and integrity could achieve. IF smokers had decency and integrity, they would not expose others to their filthy, toxic smoke. They would not expose animals to their filthy, toxic smoke. http://www.indiaprwire.com/pressrelease/educa... But smokers have NEITHER decency OR integrity, so they continue to expose non smokers to their filthy, toxic smoke and then they get mad...
Judged: 2 1 1 get it wrote: <quoted text> IF smokers had decency and integrity, they would not expose others to their filthy, toxic smoke. They would not expose animals to their filthy, toxic smoke. http://www.indiaprwire.com/pressrelease/educa... But smokers have NEITHER decency OR integrity, so they continue to expose non smokers to their filthy, toxic smoke and then they get mad when we tell them that it is no longer...
Judged: 1 well, since we're sharing cat pics, i will share a pic of my cat. he's durk and he's around 5 or 6, i think. http://stashbox.org/258804/durk.jpg