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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-28 04:12:00)
by johnk
How does this sort of thing get so much endorsement? Express Stave is MUCH simpler! www.SimplifiedMusicNotation.org
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-28 06:20:00)
by allthumbs
Another gimmick IMO. I've seen these types of systems before.
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-28 07:58:00)
by johnk
As piano teachers we all know how much we have to remind students about key signatures and accidentals, so a system that makes the sharps and flats obvious would be helpful. Well they say that it even helps students in reading traditional notation because they regain confidence. Call it a gimmick if you like, but as teachers we should at least consider these systems for some students ...
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-28 17:53:00)
by Bob
I'm not getting it. They take away the key signature? Note head shape determines sharp and flat? There are a lot of systems that come out. If it gets, accepted, fine. I doubt this one will. So why spend much time on it? You still have read traditional notation anyway. All the music is printed in it (or nearly all) and they're not going to go back and redo it. Maybe as a ...
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-28 18:38:00)
by johnk
If you actually teach some kids some music like this you may change your mind. Reminding kids whehter a note is sharped or not in a key signature is time consuming. Most teachers play along with the student at an octave when teaching the notes of a piece. With my Express Stave student I never have to do this, and i never have to go through the "What note is this" routine. I can just ...
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-28 20:54:00)
by Bob
Doesn't it still take the same amount of brainpower to learn to read note heads with different shapes? I don't see the difference, except not having the same clutter there.
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-29 00:51:00)
by keypeg
How utterly confusing. One has no sense of key, modulation, anything. You're practically forced to read one note at a time. This would totally slow me down and confuse me. I find nothing wrong with the traditional notation system. This is coming from an adult student.
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-29 00:58:00)
by johnk
Bob - No, it is not the same - the problem with key signatures is remembering which notes are sharps or flats when there is no reminder. How many times does the teacher have to write in a # or b, or circle notes to remind students? Same with accidentals that must be retained for the rest of a measure. They can easily be overlooked in long measures, and close chords with accidentals ...
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-29 04:37:00)
by allthumbs
Quote from: johnk on September 29, 2008, 12:58:37 AM But these guys have apparently done research with lots of people - and I am just amazed by the number of people endorsing it. This is what surprises me. How come so many endorse it when here everyon thinks it confusing or gimmicky? I would hazzard a guess that the research people are taking their endorsements from those with ...
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Started 9 months, 2 weeks ago (2008-09-29 05:07:00)
by keypeg
I guess that I experience the remembering part of key signatures differently. Originally when I played as a teen decades ago, I only had movable do solfege so my mind was sort of "inside" a scale. I had no idea what notes I was playing but if I was in G major (not knowing that I was) and I hit an F, I'd quickly move a semitone up so it would sound "right". Now that I know better I ...
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Published (2008-11-27 11:03:00)
Quote These patterns are built into the traditional staff, hidden away from the student, making them harder to understand and learn. A chromatic staff makes these patterns explicit since you see them every time you play them. These patterns are built into the key signatures combined with the traditional staff, making them highly visible. When I tried the chromatic staff, everything is invisible and you have to...
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Published (2008-11-12 20:34:00)
We have two different things going on here. One is notations of music that are completely different to traditional and may be considered as an alternative way of notation music. My Express Stave is one of these. The other is notation which is close to traditional and could be used in conjunction with traditional as a way of making it easier to grasp. Such as showing which notes in a key signature are the ones to play on black keys (my friends...
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Published (2008-11-27 02:07:00)
Quote from: waltztime on November 26, 2008, 04:03:54 PM I agree, and a chromatic staff notation lets you clearly see the interval patterns of scales, arpeggios, chords, etc. It reveals the diatonic patterns in the music rather than hiding this diatonic pattern in the staff itself. For me, that's one of the biggest advantages of this approach to notation. Quote from: keypeg on November 26, 2008, 04:29:21 PM For me,...
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Published (2008-11-27 18:07:00)
Quote from: keypeg on November 27, 2008, 11:03:07 AM Can you give an example of particular instruments? I would think that the tones are built according to the physical proplerties of the instrument itself. Ah, sorry, when I said "the 12 basic tones available on most instruments aren't combined in a random way, they're combined according to diatonic patterns and intervals." I...
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Published (2008-11-25 16:28:00)
Quote from: gyzzzmo on November 25, 2008, 11:49:21 AM cause jazz uses very few key signatures Jazz uses whatever is faster to know what notes they must hit. So simplified notation could work for that sort of thing.
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Published (2008-11-17 20:17:00)
Quote from: rhapsody4 on November 14, 2008, 08:48:30 PM Having never really come across too many people that have particularly struggled with traditional notation (in all age groups) once past the initial phase of learning and using, it simply comes across to me as an unnecessary extra step in learning. The initial phase of learning is not working for about 90% of the piano students (beginners) and among those that pass it many pianists are...
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Published (2008-11-25 16:51:00)
I think there should also be a website that offers easier piano's. Like piano's where they removed all white keys so things get less confusing for dummies and the notes are less hard to hit.
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Published (2008-11-24 11:58:00)
Quote from: thierry13 on November 24, 2008, 05:41:21 AM Pointless and stupid. I could see the use for jazz, but it's completly inappropriate for music. hahahaha! Dude... Ah, that was so fun!
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Published (2008-11-01 15:19:00)
Quote from: keypeg on November 01, 2008, 06:56:18 AM I've been pondering the reading (word) question. No, the pictures are not the main thing, M4U - it's the patterns in language and making them visible and obvious - that's what makes a system effective. Well, in reading music notation recognizing and determining visual PATTERNS is essential especially when beginners have to deal with white and black...
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Published (2008-11-18 09:42:00)
Quote from: thierry13 on November 18, 2008, 02:28:10 AM A dumbass will allways be a dumbass, and a genius will allways be one. You can simplify music notation, but you can not make it better. Simplifying the notation system would be like an easy arrangement of a more complex piece. It has less elements but is easier. The notation system is perfect and has no useful alternatives. I don't think removing important elements from notation...
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