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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-30 20:39:00)
by ScotchHarry
Hello A friend of mine has proposed a deal where he puts up some cash, I trade it, and we split the profits. leaving aside for a second whether or not this is a good idea in the first place! If we were to go ahead what steps would we need to take so that I can legally trade his money? is it a power of attorney-type thing? Thanks for your help
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-30 20:53:00)
by One Eyed Shark
Looking to do it legally , is in essence an absolute minefield. You are creating your own quasi hedge fund. Best solution is a gentlemans handshake over a few beers
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-30 20:57:00)
by jkplay
It is a simple power of attorney form you both need to sign. This effectively gives you permission to trade off his account (check and confirm with your broker) JK
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-30 21:05:00)
by Jack o'Clubs
make sure he is very aware of the potential downside /drawdown from your strategy. Obviously you'll both want to be focusing on the positives, but how much of his capital is he prepared to risk in order to benefit from the possible reward? 20%? 100%? As with all these things, it's no stress when everything's going well - your exposure to the legal / regulatory side of things is more ...
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-30 21:06:00)
by shadowninja
Depends on the country, surely? And if you're buying actual shares or spreadbetting? I suspect there is a tax issue... Other factors such as how much you intend to return if things go well and if things go badly. Will you stop if you lose 50% of the money he gave you? (Plus show accounts to demonstrate you didn't just blow it on beer.) He is giving you the money because he almost expects ...
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-30 21:09:00)
by ScotchHarry
Thanks for all the quick responses!! We're in the UK if that affects anything. This plan is still a long way off from actually happening as I don't feel I'm yet able to hand on heart say that I could make money in the markets for him. The main issues were how / who I'd have to be licensed with, and of course then there's declaring the income to the taxman etc... We'd be trading FX ...
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-30 23:16:00)
by grantx
Harry, This has been done to death on these boards. A Power of Attorney will not legitimise your deriving an income. You can't benefit from an arrangement if you are not authorised. One possibility. This is highly speculative, and may be viewed as "evasive". Assume your friend can put up £10,000. You take this as a 12-month personal loan, trade it, and repay him the capital with ...
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-31 11:01:00)
by BSD
Quote: Originally Posted by grantx A Power of Attorney will not legitimise your deriving an income. You can't benefit from an arrangement if you are not authorised. Excellency, very interesting. Must admit I haven't spared too much thought to any of this so far, but that may well be a mistake. Remember ...
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-31 13:13:00)
by Captain Currency
Quote: Originally Posted by ScotchHarry Hello A friend of mine has proposed a deal where he puts up some cash, I trade it, and we split the profits. leaving aside for a second whether or not this is a good idea in the first place! If we were to go ahead what steps would we need to take so that I can legally trade his ...
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Started 1 year, 8 months ago (2007-10-31 13:44:00)
by Crap Buddist
Quote: Originally Posted by ScotchHarry Trading other people's money Quote: Originally Posted by Captain Currency If its not crystal clear and planned out it will cause you more trouble than you ever imagined. Good Luck ...
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-11-01 22:17:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by grantx JK, ScotchHarry: “We'd be trading FX through a broker rather than spreadbetting”. “you seem to think you are a fountain of knowledge who knows more than everybody else.”. I know more than some, less than others. Grant. “We'd be trading FX through a broker rather than spreadbetting”. Well I am suggesting that doing it through a...
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-11-01 22:12:00)
JK, ScotchHarry: We'd be trading FX through a broker rather than spreadbetting. you seem to think you are a fountain of knowledge who knows more than everybody else.. I know more than some, less than others. Grant.
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-11-01 05:51:00)
Hello All, Hopefully this will be my last post on this topic - my inbox is overloaded I think the question ScotchHarrry initally made in post 1 was how he could trade his mates account Legally So if ScotchHarry is proposing to carry out this type of business from the UK - he would need to be regulated by the FSA as Grant pointed out "Since 1995-6 forex/spot speculation in the UK has been regarded as an investment business requiring...
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-10-31 19:06:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain Currency What Im saying when I say "may mean" Depending on what country you are in, The Fin Reg for that country may differ from the Fin Reg of another country. So obvisouly you have to comply with the Fin Reg for your own country. Confuse yet? I should have said it more clearly, let me try again: Forex or spot is not classed as an investment instrument by SOME Fin Reg bodies. Therefore,...
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-10-31 19:20:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by BSD Still haven't managed to elicit from anyone who runs a hedge fund over here if the costs / hassle in the EU are comparable or not to what is decidedly low cost / low hassle in the USA, also keeping in mind that most hedge funds operated from the USA seem to be based offshore. No EU hedge fund managers on here ? Not like we're trying to get at deep down "secrets" in which I don't...
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-10-31 14:15:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by ScotchHarry Hi thanks again for all the replies, I think we're going a bit off-topic as I wasn't necessarily asking for advice on whether or not it was a good idea for me to trade with his money, rather just the procedures to go through to make it legal. Looks like a bit of a mess on that front so this (very hypothetical at this stage anyway) plan will be on the back-burner until we at least know more...
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-10-31 13:59:00)
Hi thanks again for all the replies, I think we're going a bit off-topic as I wasn't necessarily asking for advice on whether or not it was a good idea for me to trade with his money, rather just the procedures to go through to make it legal. Looks like a bit of a mess on that front so this (very hypothetical at this stage anyway) plan will be on the back-burner until we at least know more about that side of things. Thanks again!
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-10-30 21:06:00)
Depends on the country, surely? And if you're buying actual shares or spreadbetting? I suspect there is a tax issue... Other factors such as how much you intend to return if things go well and if things go badly. Will you stop if you lose 50% of the money he gave you? (Plus show accounts to demonstrate you didn't just blow it on beer.) He is giving you the money because he almost expects you to give him a handsome return (otherwise...
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-10-31 13:54:00)
Hello ScotchHarry, From what I have read over the years, managing OPM (other peoples money) has been the downfall of many a good (profitable) private trader. This game is psychologically very difficult without the added burden of worrying about losing your friends and/or relatives savings and having them ask you every couple of days/weeks - " how's my 10k doing, have you doubled my money yet ? " It obviously can be done...
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Trading other people's money
Published (2007-10-31 21:08:00)
sign up with a broker that has a money managers facility......preferably one which allows your clients to gain real time access to the account for viewing purposes. outline and agree on the profit splits or management fees...... get him to transfer funds into your account and sign over power of attorney for you to trade it. explain the risks involved and the security of his money, get him to sign some sort of disclosure that he accepts this...
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