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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-29 22:40:00)
by alyourpal
Its about two years since I became 'a cyclist'. Nearly 50 years ago I was a keen teenage cyclist, but then cars, girls and life intervened. It was only after receiving a Fatwa from the quack that I joined the ranks of cyclists again. Since then, I have thoroughly enjoyed rediscovering life from a bicycle saddle. I know that I am now much fitter than most people, even much younger people,...
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-29 23:33:00)
by theBullockSmithy
What is it that produces unreasonable rage against cyclists as a group. Is it just the actions of the lawbreaking few,... Yes ... or is it envy and a feeling of envy and inadequacy in non cycling motorists and pedestrians? Yes And, how can it be countered more regulation of cyclists with number plates and compulsory insurance,... No-o-o-o-o-o !!! ... or education and ...
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-29 23:38:00)
by HonestGuvnor
In my experience - Some drivers don't like cyclists as they perceive us as using "their" roads without paying. - Some drivers don't like cyclists as we filter past them in traffic as they sit in their vehicles. - Some drivers don't like cyclists as they half wish they were doing the same but don't want to try it. Then again - Some modern laws to help/protect cyclists are/or appear to be...
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-29 23:47:00)
by venice2001
" cyclists with number plates" Insurance I wouldn't object to (it's not going to be that expensive for a cyclist... it's unusual for a cyclist to do much third party damage) But number plates I would strongly object to, and the reason is quite simple. As is absolutely clear, there are a number of car drivers who have strong objections to cyclists. --------- (1) I've had one driver ...
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-30 00:03:00)
by theBullockSmithy
I agree with all your safety concerns, except that I'm not sure it would lead to malicious abuse of the DPA to get personal detail any more than it does for motorists. Does that happen all that much? The reasons I disagree with it are that... It would - like the Aussie example of compulsory helmets - deter people from cycling and cause more harm than good; It would also be a nightmare...
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-30 00:55:00)
by billybonkers
Crazy thread ... crazy guy, that ee. I'm going to put my hands up. In my time I've been a nitwit pedestrian, cyclist and driver. I don't mean to be a nitwit it's just that circumstances jumped out at me and not always because I was making the wrong assumptions (codified in the Highway ...). I'm amazed at the self-reichtiousness being liberally dished-out on this thread by all parties...
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-30 08:33:00)
by LePetitFou
alyourpal asked: What puzzles me is 'peoples' attitude to cyclists ... why are we all tarred with the same brush? ... What is it that produces unreasonable rage against cyclists as a group. Is it just the actions of the lawbreaking few, or is it envy and a feeling of envy and inadequacy in non cycling motorists and pedestrians? Cyclists are an easily-identified minority group, which ...
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-30 08:37:00)
by MrAngry
I thin this is quite a good post. Lots of valid points have been made. I won't add to them, but refer you to a rant I had earlier: http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=8147425&s ort=wh... Plus ca change, as they say
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-30 09:11:00)
by billybonkers
Morning LePetitFou, I'm impressed that you can marshal all those statistics at this time in the day - I'm usually making toast, or somewhere on the bike. As you mention, it's easy to draw tribal boundaries and when it comes to marking those boundaries (in luminous paint) this BB can, at times, really go to town. I'm a driver myself and know it's unfair that all drivers are deamonised ...
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Started 3 months ago (2008-08-30 09:12:00)
by PetraM
* There were 101 times as many reported pedestrian injuries due to collisions with motor vehicles than with pedal cycles (there were 34,791 pedestrian injuries involving motor vehicles, compared with 331 involving cycles). Did the CTC provide the statistics about how many of those 101x as many pedestrian injuries involving motor vehicles involved motor vehicles on the pavement ? (...
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user's latest post:
What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-09-02 09:59:00)
bombat, I agree, the proportion of cyclists in London that stick to the rules is far too low. It annoys me too. Some things, like riding through ped crossing when peds are on the crossing REALLY get me going and I do have a word with such pillocks given the opportunity. But I have to pick you up on this: and most dangerously breaks the rules of the road is cyclists. If that is true, why are cyclists responsible for so few serious accidents?...
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What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-08-30 00:03:00)
I agree with all your safety concerns, except that I'm not sure it would lead to malicious abuse of the DPA to get personal detail any more than it does for motorists. Does that happen all that much? The reasons I disagree with it are that... It would - like the Aussie example of compulsory helmets - deter people from cycling and cause more harm than good; It would also be a nightmare and prohibitively costly to administer; It would be...
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What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-09-03 23:13:00)
Sorry, poor choice of words. When I said 'most dangerous', I meant 'most likely to cause an accident' rather than 'most likely to kill or seriously injure another person'.
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Published (2008-08-30 12:50:00)
"except that I'm not sure it would lead to malicious abuse of the DPA to get personal detail any more than it does for motorists." The difference is that for motorists, there's ... [1] ... no prejudice. Motorists see themselves as part of the same group... the precludes prejudice on the basis of that group... one car driver isn't going to let the fact that another road user is also a car driver. [2] ......
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What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-08-30 09:11:00)
Morning LePetitFou, I'm impressed that you can marshal all those statistics at this time in the day - I'm usually making toast, or somewhere on the bike. As you mention, it's easy to draw tribal boundaries and when it comes to marking those boundaries (in luminous paint) this BB can, at times, really go to town. I'm a driver myself and know it's unfair that all drivers are deamonised by cyclists ... I'm a cyclist...
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What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-08-31 09:53:00)
I could almost have written the alyourpal's original post myself. I became a born again cyclist about 12 years ago, a couple of years after becoming a widower. I got into it by accident when my cousin, an Oxford don, invited me to visit. The best way to get around Oxford is on a bike so there I was, wobbling uncertainly through Oxford, scared of the traffic, but finding it hugely enjoyable nonetheless. Wind the clock forward a year...
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What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-08-31 14:17:00)
Did the CTC provide the statistics about how many of those 101... That figure is the final statistic in the post, although I presume most of the accidents involving vehicles on footways are cars pulling out of drives, and long vehicles turning and cutting over pavements.
user's latest post:
What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-09-01 08:03:00)
Be interesting to hear what other Continental and Scandinavian countries make of it any takers? I'm both a car driver and cyclist in Switzerland, where the attitude is one of tolerance and mutual respect. Many roads have a cycle strip painted down the side, and the cars don't seem to mind that they occasionally have to alter their course by a few degrees to swerve round a cyclist. Shared foot/cycle paths are common, and the bikes...
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What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-08-29 22:40:00)
Its about two years since I became 'a cyclist'. Nearly 50 years ago I was a keen teenage cyclist, but then cars, girls and life intervened. It was only after receiving a Fatwa from the quack that I joined the ranks of cyclists again. Since then, I have thoroughly enjoyed rediscovering life from a bicycle saddle. I know that I am now much fitter than most people, even much younger people, but not as fit as daily cyclists who commute...
user's latest post:
What is it about cyclists......?
Published (2008-08-29 23:38:00)
In my experience - Some drivers don't like cyclists as they perceive us as using "their" roads without paying. - Some drivers don't like cyclists as we filter past them in traffic as they sit in their vehicles. - Some drivers don't like cyclists as they half wish they were doing the same but don't want to try it. Then again - Some modern laws to help/protect cyclists are/or appear to be at the...
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