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Title: William Rawles view on Secession
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Started 3 years ago (2006-06-29 02:43:00)  by unionblue
Friends, Since Wild Rose, Trice and myself had made mention of this thread in our discourse in the 'slavery was at the bottom of everything they were worried about,' thread, thought I would bring it up to the 'front' as it were. Sincerely, Unionblue
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-20 07:05:00)  by whitworth
It's amazing to me how logic can start and immediately stop. We often hear the argument that secession was constitutional under the U.S. Constitution. Then the logic argument stops. If secession were constitutional, then legally, following the Civil War, states in secession were forced to continue in the United States, under the tip of a bayonet. If secession were legal, then states were forced ...
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-21 06:38:00)  by Hanny
Quote: Originally Posted by whitworth It's amazing to me how logic can start and immediately stop. We often hear the argument that secession was constitutional under the U.S. Constitution. Then the logic argument stops. Yes that argument runs that the compact between states enumarates, delinates and defines those rights and powers delegated to the Federal government, and retains for thge ...
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-21 09:41:00)  by Hanny
Quote: Originally Posted by cash By contrast both James Kent and Joseph Story have far more impressive credentials, a far larger body of writings, and biographies written about them that are available today. Rawle provides no support for his assertion. He simply asserts there is a right to secession and moves on. Compare that with Joseph Story, who provides supporting documentation for his ...
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-22 05:17:00)  by Hanny
Kent's Commentaries appeared, in 1826, it is the first recorded litary claim that secesion as a right is not contained in the US constition, no one during the Elliot debates refused the right of secession to exist for the people of a state when the Constition was being crafted, in fact the oposite is to be found, Hamilton express the conditional right of secesion in the Federlists, Madison does ...
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-22 07:07:00)  by Hanny
Quote: Originally Posted by trice British political theorist John Stuart Mill was one of the best known thinkers of his day, famous for his 1859 work On Liberty. He is widely associated with the cause of women's sufferage as well, and saw the role of the government in human affairs as preventing harm to other individuals. He is often associated with Libertarianism, and is the first political ...
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-23 00:07:00)  by unionblue
Hanny, That did not make his observations inaccurate or unworthy of consideration. Dickens knew how to write fiction. Maybe he should have stuck to what he did best. Other British politicians also stated it was a war about slavery and not tariffs. Unionblue
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-23 00:10:00)  by unionblue
Hanny, You should reconsider that Madison supported the idea that secession was right, was somewhere in the Consitution, etc. It simply does not add up to what the man stated. And even Webster said peaceable secession was not possible. Sincerely, Unionblue
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-23 12:12:00)  by MobileBoy
Neil your right breakups are rarely peaceful especially when one side uses force to make the other one stay with it.Good points Hanny.
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Started 2 years, 11 months ago (2006-07-23 13:45:00)  by unionblue
MobileBoy, The way I see and the way some saw it, it was the South, trying to force slavery down everyone's throat, not just their own. And your right, breaking up is hard to do. Unionblue
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Hanny
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user's latest post:
William Rawles view on Secession
Published (2006-07-25 10:05:00)
Quote: Originally Posted by ole Cadets at WP were not there to study law, per se, but to acquire an understanding of law as it applied to the military. The real test, I suppose, would be to canvas the students who were examined on the book to determine how many came out believing secession was legal, as opposed to how many went in believing secession was legal. Ole Yes thats right, cadets swore a different oath than did the faculty, and...
unionblue
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William Rawles view on Secession
Published (2006-07-24 19:42:00)
Hanny, I feel much the same way about Rawle and Upshur as you do about Webster. And again, I repeat that Madison in no way, as he was considered Father of the Constitution, supported the idea of secession, so I do not consider him in any way a source that could be quoted as such to support it. Misquoted perhaps, but not truly used as support for the concept. Sincerely, Unionblue
ole
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William Rawles view on Secession
Published (2006-07-25 09:33:00)
Quote: Really?, to practice law requires you pass the bar, you may think the law an ***, but you have to practice it as taught or lose case after case. Cadets at WP were not there to study law, per se, but to acquire an understanding of law as it applied to the military. The real test, I suppose, would be to canvas the students who were examined on the book to determine how many came out believing secession was legal, as opposed to how many...
whitworth
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William Rawles view on Secession
Published (2006-07-20 07:05:00)
It's amazing to me how logic can start and immediately stop. We often hear the argument that secession was constitutional under the U.S. Constitution. Then the logic argument stops. If secession were constitutional, then legally, following the Civil War, states in secession were forced to continue in the United States, under the tip of a bayonet. If secession were legal, then states were forced from the time of the Civil War to remain in...
MobileBoy
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William Rawles view on Secession
Published (2006-07-23 12:12:00)
Neil your right breakups are rarely peaceful especially when one side uses force to make the other one stay with it.Good points Hanny.