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"I seen no reason to address every point of your argument" It is okay if you can't, but you should at least try. "Virginia's secession was legal" Then the Constitution does not protect Virginia's borders. Case done. West Virginia is 100% constitutionally legal as it was taken from foreign powers like every single state was. Thanks for proving that West Virginia was 100% legally created...

"As a whole" refers to the collective entity of the thing. A state is an organic thing. Some counties within a state, acting in contravention of what the state as an entity does, does not serve to negate the action in question of that state. In the American political context, counties do not have the authority to act in contravention of the state of which they are merely an administrative subdivision. We can split hairs to...

You're correct. I seen no reason to address every point of your argument, because your underlying analysis began as flawed, and remains flawed. I can sum it up thus: "Virginia's secession was legal, as was the secession of the other Southern states. However, because the United States didn't like it, even though it was perfectly legal, it chose to invade the seceded states. When the sovereign seceded states resisted,...

And wasn't it Lincoln that said something like, "If they're going to secede, I'm glad they're seceding to the Union instead of away from it." This, I think, was in the context of his own uncertainty of the constitutionality or legality of secession. But, as it was pointed out by our rustic philosopher, Quote: Virgnia in 1863 was in no position to protest. The arguments over legality of secession just seem...

Captain Coxetter, With all due respect, you are dodging solid facts that clearly refute your position, especially on your opinion that VA did not expect or make aggressive moves to bring it into war. Basically this post will restate facts that refute your position and that you have refused to take on for whatever reason. Please look at my points and tackle them specifically, maybe I am wrong, but you haven't addressed it with anything but...

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Constitutionally (reality), Va. was never out of the Union, But the relationship of the Federal Gov't with that of the state, had been destroyed (It no longer existed). The relationship of the state gov't was with an illegal entity, known as the CSA. (itself made up of illegally constituted entities, no longer in a legal relationship with the Constitution of the USA and thus the Federal Gov't) The only Gov't in correct...

What you mentioned about West Virginia good Capt. Coxetter was indeed something pointed out by the Confederacy (somewhere). If counties of a state could secede from the state, then why couldn't a state secede from a union?

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganmoon All of VA's legislators that still held office under the flag of the US had a voice and approved of West Virginia breaking off. Therefore it was a legal move to create West Virginia if secession were illegal. I'm assuming that you mean the government that formed in West Virginia. The problem with that is very simple. Its Virginia law that determines the government of the State of Virginia....

<<<"because a portion of a state doesn't join in the "rebellion" engineered by the state as a whole">>> 1st of all, that is an oxymoron. How can you say the "state as a whole" if you've already said a part of the state didn't do it. 2nd of all, that doesn't have anything to do with it legally. In order to break up a state...