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Perhaps the point of the thread was that there are people and events of great importance and large amounts of data that have been ignored for the specific design of treating history as a story with a series of plots and a story arch. This is done to wrap history into a neat little parcel and say that several events were directly responsible for other events which lead to the formation of the current issues of the day. It is something to...

Quote: Originally Posted by dogukan Yes, for people in Turkey. But the ones in central asia are original Turks. Though even "Turk" is a very wide term. Eitherway, considering the fact that nationalist consider themselves as successors of central asian nomads, they have a point by claiming Huns as their ancestors. There is probably some sort of connection, though I doubt it's significance.

Quote: Originally Posted by Slurricane Well who can argue with 2000 year old tits? I can people 2000 years ago, were dirty had diseases no medicine hairy, less smart

It's not difficult to find Arabic poetry from c. 11th century or even earlier extolling the many virtues of a warrior or a lord... that however leaves open the question of which direction such literature actually travelled. One thing which is certain is that the tradition of chanson de geste definitely rose from the crusades. Quote: European chivalry of medieval times has as many similarities with traditional Roman virtues Now off-hand...

Yup, information about origins of Huns is not enough to make any sort of judgement.

Doing a paper now, so it'll be later, sorry. cya later

Quote: Originally Posted by Abendstern Well, sorry but you didnt get it at all. I was opposing the notion of "betrayel" brought up by Poles along with "10.000" whenever Danzig is mentioned. Both being of mythical nature. That '10 000' part is completly made up, since nowhere I stated or mentioned anything like that. And " betr eya l " is rather not of mythical nature, since...

The japanese felt that there culture was superior and tried to preserve it as much as it can.

Makes me think of Mircea the Old's situation earlier at Nicopolis when the crusaders were arguing about who would gain the glory of the first charge and the French, Hungarians and Austrians were all arguing and Mircea was suggesting careful planning and using Romanian light cavalry to scout and ambush. The idiotic crusaders thought it would be dishonorable...and those same crusaders got owned.

Quote: Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible Not really. But I doubt the Arabs invented it either. And nobody suggested that in the first place. Quote: While the Arabs and Persians undoubtebdly had their own warrior traditions, I still feel that the Germanic tribes were the most likely source of European chivalry. They had their own warrior traditions which greatly emphasize loyalty to their lord and fighting prowess. Christianity would have...