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Quote: Originally Posted by Mama Duck That's what woodness03 is saying. I know; I'm just being strident, because it is a topic where the opposition's arguments fail any sort of logic test, and that drives me crazy! Quote: I do wonder what would have happened if the civil rights movement had been left up to the voter. Plessy would still be the rule of the day. At least there would be no seekrit muslin in the White House.

Quote: Originally Posted by KingDavid8 How does calling it a "tragedy that took place" suggest it wasn't a terrorist attack? Because he deliberately failed to note that the attack was carried out by one of his radical Muslim henchmen.

Quote: Originally Posted by Eddylizard I must admit this is all kind of odd to me. The closest thing I can think of here that resembles the PP clinics (if I understand PP clinics correctly) are the Marie Stopes Clinics. . Before we start I am aware that Marie Stopes herself had some extremely distasteful and offensive views regarding regarding eugenics class and race, which drove her to promote making contraception and abortion available. I...

Quote: Originally Posted by AnglRdr The US Chamber of Commerce is very loudly anti-health care reform and anti-climate change reform. Their interests are, IMO, largely vested in taking us back to a 19th century business regulatory climate. Are these viewpoints somehow based in reason, on the grounds that this would be best for American commerce overall -- or has the organization simply been taken over, by attrition and purges, by people with...

Quote: Originally Posted by imjustasteph And, for that matter, do they really harass people going in even people just going in for their birth control pills and things, as badly as I've read? As opposed to what? Asking the patrons the purpose of their visit, and then harassing only the ones who say "I'm here for an abortion"?

Quote: Originally Posted by snopes Because it's not just historical. The U.S. has a very large prison population, and in many states felons have no right to vote. Who has more stake in representation than people who have been imprisoned by the state? Probably prison population should be able to vote instead?

Quote: Originally Posted by Dactyl I'm unsure how you can reconcile those two statements, that the drafters used the term to gain equality yet it was designed to be inferior. How can it be both? The same way that something that is five feet long can be given length and still be less than ten feet long. Let me try it this way: Marriage is 10. The name "marriage" is a part of that, because there are clearly people who support gay...

Quote: the office of strong mayor of Toledo Toledo snopesters, enlighten me: Is there an office of weak mayor? And if there is, why would anyone want that job?

Quote: Originally Posted by imjustasteph Okay, not to totally hijack, but maybe this will be a not-too-off the subject sidetrack....really? Every day? Well, to be technical, our protesters are only there Tuesday through Saturday, from about 9 a.m. - noon. They may miss a normal day when the weather is really bad, but they are VERY consistant. Quote: If it's not too personal to ask, to what degree are you, as an individual, harassed- just...

This is the best diary I've seen on Daily Kos in quite a while. I've sounded off here before about how distasteful it is for pro-choicers to frame the abortion debate in terms of "I hate abortion but...", and I think this is the most eloquent explanation I've ever seen of why that really is a problem and the cost it carries. That the Stupak amendment was included in the bill is, sadly, not all that surprising in light...