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Quote: Originally Posted by K Hale Nope. I can't stand that kind of "soldier." Just wanted to give credit where credit is due. I doubt it, since he and his men were apparently the ones kidnapping free blacks. Can't see someone who's been engaged in that activity turning around and arming black folks. Thank you. It is totally unscientific and really judgemental, but I was swayed by the same "gut...

Anything I post never agrees to your thinking or opinion. I clearly stated it was my opinion. To which I am entitled to it--be it if you feel I am wrong or am correct. And, you attack another's opinion but, take strong exception if yours is. I remain with my opinion, that at the time of Imboden's train moving from Gettysburg, I am not convinced Negro/Black wagoners were holding the reins, or involved in the "Wagoner's...

Quote: Originally Posted by prroh Nobody expected much from Imboden but, like the waterboy in a 1930s movie who gets called into the tied up championship game in the last seconds, he did a fine job and deserves credit. Did his fine job redeem him for the non-military "foraging his men did or the Blacks, both free and runaway, who were kidnapped and sold back into slavery,? Nope. I can't stand that kind of...

Quote: A. Wagoners fought the Yankees. (shot at them) B. There were black wagoners. C. There were black wagoners who shot at Yankees. This is not irrefutable logic -- close, but no cigar. If all wagoners were black, it could not be argued that blacks were not armed during the wagoners fight which, I think was the premise of the original post. I think most of us figured black wagoners fought because it is generally accepted that most wagoners...

Documentation arrives. 322 total units (regiments, battalions, "legions" and artillery batteries) with the Army of Northern Virginia as of the fall of 1863. 215 are Eastern (Maryland, Virginia, the Carolinas). 50 are Central (Georgia, Florida, and units "organized directly under the auspices of the Confederate government") 57 are Western (Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana,...

[quote=prroh;160603] Quote: Sorry but you provided a map of the attack on Fort Stedman. Could you repost? Thanks for taking the trouble of posting these links i do not understand your request because the link that is posted works but here it is ... http://www.bluegraymagazine.com/Files/ftstedmanmap.pdf

Quote: I think that no Blacks volunteered or were shanghied into the fight. The fact that nobody, either residents of Williamsport or members of the ANV mentions the truly remarkable fact of armed Blacks in a slave state indicates to me that Imboden used only white wagoneers. From the first post on the thread - is this the point in dispute? Lee

what an amazing forum. thanks so much for the help and tips. i just received this from the NPS at gettysburg and wanted to share it with you all. with everyones help here and this reply i feel pretty confident we have located the route, orchard and some accurate info on what happened to hezekiah. i will now look into the graves at hollywood cemetary in richmond on the off chance he might be there. thanks again! The 28th Virginia Infantry was...

Quote: Originally Posted by prroh The best guess of Confederate casualties which included about 2,800 dead, 12, 500 wounded evacuated and about another 12,500 wounded and unwounded during the battle. In the retreat to the Potomac there was about 4,000 casualties which included under 3,000 wounded and unwounded captured. Since the ANV that crossed the Potomac into Maryland numbered about 74,000 - 77,000, 81,837 PFD at Gettysburg as per...

You also have to consider the fact that when you are being shot at, the fight or flight syndrome is engaged. There may have been men, black and white, who simply picked up the first unattended weapon they saw to fight back rather than run. Fight or flight syndrome is the idea that the adrenalin rush will make you respond in one of two ways and all human do react in one of the two.