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Quote: Originally Posted by E Mutz Ours is a Representative Republic in which the MAJORITY elect who shall represent them in the bi-cameral legislature and to pass laws through a simple MAJORITY. Those laws may then be tested by the Supreme court. If the MAJORITY of the Justices rule that the law is unconstitutional that law is repealed. If the Constitution is to be changed it must be changed by a MAJORITY . ...and ratified by three fourths...

Quote: Originally Posted by E Mutz In an argument it is not wise to automatically presume that the person's argument and personal beliefs are one and the same. I made no such presumption. I only meant to state that it was disingenous to argue no discrimation is occurring against gays or non religious people based on smoking and taxation. Or that it is business as usual because it definitely is not. For repetition sake, when smoking laws...

Quote: Originally Posted by Book Wizard They are just songs . I disagree. Read the article. She explicitly says she wants songs about Jesus to be sung. If they were just songs then it wouldn't matter what was sung on Christmas. They could just go ahead and sing "Smack my Bitch Up." Quote: Originally Posted by Gracie My kids sing many secular songs in school. I'm not concerned about them becomming everything they sing about...

Quote: Originally Posted by datkins1 I really wasn't going to respond to these posts because I don't see them as genuine. What I want to say is that all of these things that you talk about affect everyone. Health care affects everyone. Smoking laws affect all smokers. Taxation of the wealthy affect all the wealthy. None of what you state separates out a group for discrimination like these particular laws we are discussing here....

Quote: Originally Posted by Book Wizard I feel very sorry for those of you who are so bitter about Christmas. It is a Christian High Holy Day, but it is also the season of loving and giving. Well good for the christians. It's also a time of celebration for many faiths and cultures not just your "high holy christians". And I'm not bitter, I'm fed up.

Actually, we played with the Creche. We hid Baby Jesus and put Him in the manger Christmas morning. We moved the Three Wise Men closer day by day until on Epiphany they were by the manger. Now, with our Bethlehem, I play with all the figures a lot. Never mind all the Santons... they are set up all in a parade to visit the Baby Jesus... I don't even know how many we have. I think Daddy bought out all of Provence that year. And we have...

Quote: Originally Posted by jitobear You know, I am a die-hard, agnostic, pagan bitch - but I question the uproar. Religion inspires. Religion is part of human history, identity and art. I can get the chills from the Hallelujah Chorus without wanting to convert. Tolerance sucks. Who wants to be just tolerated? I will sing about pagan mistletoe and Christian Jesus because here and now, its all part of the culture that is Christmas in 2009.....

Quote: Originally Posted by E Mutz Part of the freedom to practice religion is the freedom to express religious viewpoints. That freedom does not stop at the ballot box nor do we have separate classes of voters based on religious beliefs. Like it or lump it you cannot separate a person's moral code from the person's political action, nor can you deny like minds the freedom of assembly simply because you disagree with their message....

Quote: Originally Posted by holychicken First, it is not stupid to prefer an indigenous name. Second, it is stupid for the reason I said above: "The problem is that this is probably true for 90% of all the landmarks in the country. And why stop with just landmarks? How about things like colors? I am sure the indigenous people used a different word than they current use for the color, so should they change them too? Why not just convert...

To paraphrase abcNKH, WTF?