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Quote: Originally Posted by lawyerman Why are mothers being brought into this? We are talking about a fucking trade, not about our mothers and someone being gay. I think that we sometimes get carried away and people get tough behind their computer. I'm certain that anyone on this board would not speak to me in that tone if we were speaking to me face to face. Let's just settle down and stop the insults that are hurtful. These...

Great idea. He will be spending more time in jail and until he returns, then I will leave this thread alone as well. That is until someone writes something that is absolutely absurd.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mongrel4u I'm going to bow out of this one... my point has gone completely over MLAM and Captain's head and it will just be a back and forth going nowhere ...it didn't. We just don't agree. I don't agree that Killing a dog deserves any more consequences than Michael Vick has already (and potentially will) suffer (jail time, loss of tens of millions of dollars, personal reputation forever...

Quote: Originally Posted by lawyerman I thought we were discussing the trade. I thought so too lawyerman, and I apologize for any part I played in this thread coming off the rails. I basically gave up earlier and had no intention of responding anymore to this subject. Then someone implies I'm gay for saying that if Burke approved of the trade then I'm fine by it... ooookay, sound reasoning there... Then Smuddan completley...

Quote: Originally Posted by rayfinkel Yup! free reign. IT'S OFFICIAL BRIAN BURKE SIGNED A SIX YEAR DEAL AS PRESIDENT AND GM don't go blowing your load over this one... Brian Burke's career GM winning percentage is less than JFJr's! he left Anaheim in a mess (look at all of the upcoming UFA's and RFA's on the Duck's roster) nearly the entire team will be UFA's at the end of this season! check this out:...

Premeditated murder. Violent rape. Terrorism causing bodily harm. Those are unforgiveable crimes. But an offense that's a misdemeanour in many jurisdictions is one that should carry a lifetime ban, even after one has served significant jail time, lost $100 million and ruined his reputation? Also keep in mind, this was Vick's first offence. Again, I find it interesting that the punishment in Michael Vick's case far exceeds...

I am not a role model. I’m not paid to be a role model. I am paid to wreak havoc on the basketball court. Parents should be role models. Just because I can dunk a basketball, doesn’t mean I should raise your kids. - Charles Barkley

Let me preface by saying that I love animals. I have a cat at home and I'd never do anything to hurt an animal and certainly find anyone that does to be abhorrent. Philosophical question for those that are willing. For those that disagree with what Vick did, would you be more/less/equally disgusted in his actions if dogfighting was NOT a crime?

Quote: Originally Posted by 21pro we'll see... somehow i don't think so. I think he'll be in some advisory role. Doesn't mean he'll have any real say in the decision making, though.

Quote: Originally Posted by Captain Fantastic Ok, since we disagree with each others' basic premises, let me flip the script while using the same argument. Is it better to send the following message to children: if you make a mistake, you must pay for it for the rest of your life? No second chances, no taking circumstances into consideration, no possibility of rehabilitation, redemption and reconciliation... Is that the morality we want...