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Is the moral argument circular?
Published (2009-12-26 22:54:00)
[QUOTE=Tisthammerw]It depends on what conception of God you're using. If the conception of God is such that God is what Plato called "the Good" and God's commands flow necessarily from His nature, 'This is God's command, but is it good?' is plausibly a closed question.[/QUOTE] Perhaps intuitions again, but that sort of conception strikes me as open - as in, it stuff you suggest isn't obviously true in...
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Demonstrating the existence of...
Published (2009-12-27 21:46:00)
To recap my argument against moral nihilism: If moral nihilism is true, then there is nothing morally wrong with torturing infants just for fun (because under moral nihilism, nothing is morally wrong). There is something morally wrong with torturing infants just for fun Therefore, moral nihilism is false In the argument above I'm using "morally wrong" in the realist sense, i.e. that the statement "there is something...
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Is the moral argument circular?
Published (2009-12-22 21:15:00)
[QUOTE]Where in the bible does God contradict His values?[/QUOTE] Wherever he orders people to kill, wherever he shows favoritism for one clan, wherever he kills, or demands sacrifice. [QUOTE]So you're saying that there should not be a justice system at all?[/QUOTE] No. I'm saying that it would be special pleading to execute someone and also proclaim that killing is objectively wrong. "killing is wrong, except when I do...
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Aethetics and morality?
Published (2009-12-27 05:36:00)
[QUOTE] My point is that beauty is defined in this way, "the quality or aggregate of qualities in a person or thing that gives pleasure to the senses or pleasurably exalts the mind or spirit." But the "producing pleasure to someone" sort of thing is by nature subjective, just as "tasting good" is [/QUOTE] I see now that we were reading the definition in two completely different...
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Started 3 weeks, 5 days ago (2009-12-05 04:39:00)
by GregoryJL
Why would an Atheist who accepted [1] also accept [3]? If you're an Atheist moral realist, you probably are going to affirm you at least have some hope of finding out moral facts without having to dump Atheism. I think its pretty unlikely they would think 'well, theres objective moral values, alright, but I have no way of finding out what they are.' In fact, on some views of moral realism (eg. ...
Started 2 years, 8 months ago (2007-04-30 16:07:00)
by Øystein Nødtvedt
You don't prove objective moral values. It is an assumption. For some, it is a self-evident assumption (at least if one want to live consistently with your worldview).
Started 3 weeks, 3 days ago (2009-12-06 20:40:00)
by Tisthammerw
[QUOTE=theonlyway2truth]Couldn't I also use the same arguments that Craig uses to justify the objectivity of aesthetic judgements?[/quote] Yes. I've actually thought about this on several occasions. One disputable point is of course whether aesthetic judgments are indeed objective. Is not beauty within the eye of the beholder? Indeed, one definition of beauty is, "the quality or ...
Started 1 month, 4 weeks ago (2009-11-02 13:52:00)
by RandyE
[QUOTE=theonlyway2truth]I've been having this objection a lot lately and it is really starting to annoy me. I have a response but it doesn't seem strong enough to deter the Atheist from using it. How would you go about refuting this counter argument? [/QUOTE] I'd like to help, but first I need to know something. 1. What formulation of the moral argument are you using? 2. In what way do they ...
Started 5 months, 2 weeks ago (2009-07-13 20:06:00)
by NoMereRanger303
I get this a lot when I explain why I feel atheism logically concludes to nihilism. Atheist object that morals can be rationally explained. I've never heard a good reason to be obligated to be rational though - like you said that sort of goes in circles.
Started 1 month, 1 week ago (2009-11-23 06:43:00)
by zengardener
[QUOTE]Premise 1 If objective truths exist, then they are best explained by the existence of a necessary mind[/QUOTE]
So, 1+1=2 is best explained by a mind? I don't think so.
And, what is the necessary mind?
[QUOTE]Premise 2 A necessary mind entails the existence of God[/QUOTE]
but what's a necessary mind? How do you support the existence of such a thing?
[QUOTE]Premise 3 Objective ...
Started 6 months, 2 weeks ago (2009-06-16 15:55:00)
by MorleyMcMorson
I don't think there's anything necessarily objectively wrong with killing a human person. Some cases of killing are wrong (these are murder), others are not (such as killing in self defense, or a just war, or something of that sort). " Thou shalt not kill" in the Bible really means "Thou shalt not murder," so the Bible doesn't teach killing to be inherently wrong. If it did, it'd have some ...
Started 5 months, 1 week ago (2009-07-27 00:11:00)
by Tisthammerw
Quote: Originally Posted by Mycol You, Dr. Craig, state that objective moral duties are what God commands us to do. You dismiss the charge that God’s commands (and hence our objective moral duties) could be arbitrarily declared by God because God’s commands are expressions of His perfect moral virtues which are essential to Him. Fair enough; I grant your point for now. But what is a moral...
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Hot threads for last week on Moral Argument
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Started 1 month, 4 weeks ago (2009-11-02 13:52:00)
by RandyE
[QUOTE=theonlyway2truth]I've been having this objection a lot lately and it is really starting to annoy me. I have a response but it doesn't seem strong enough to deter the Atheist from using it. How would you go about refuting this counter argument? [/QUOTE] I'd like to help, but first I need to know something. 1. What formulation of the moral argument are you using? 2. In what way do they ...
Started 3 weeks, 3 days ago (2009-12-06 20:40:00)
by Tisthammerw
[QUOTE=theonlyway2truth]Couldn't I also use the same arguments that Craig uses to justify the objectivity of aesthetic judgements?[/quote] Yes. I've actually thought about this on several occasions. One disputable point is of course whether aesthetic judgments are indeed objective. Is not beauty within the eye of the beholder? Indeed, one definition of beauty is, "the quality or ...
Started 2 years, 8 months ago (2007-04-30 16:07:00)
by Øystein Nødtvedt
You don't prove objective moral values. It is an assumption. For some, it is a self-evident assumption (at least if one want to live consistently with your worldview).
Started 3 weeks, 5 days ago (2009-12-05 04:39:00)
by GregoryJL
Why would an Atheist who accepted [1] also accept [3]? If you're an Atheist moral realist, you probably are going to affirm you at least have some hope of finding out moral facts without having to dump Atheism. I think its pretty unlikely they would think 'well, theres objective moral values, alright, but I have no way of finding out what they are.' In fact, on some views of moral realism (eg. ...
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