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Quote: Unless I am mistaken I think Bernie Sanders said he couldn't support the legislation. Granted that's only one but credit where credits due. I have heard sort of a mixed message from bernie. We all know where he stands, but I have heard him say that he wouldn't rule out voting for the bill in its current form. I guess we will find out very soon if he will make a stand. I think he might wait till the end to cast his vote....

An argument in favor of the mandate is that it will force the young and healthy to subscribe, and hence be invested in how well the system works. Also, universality is one step closer to single payer for all. Having said that, what's left on the table in the current bill is a very meager meal. The choicest morsels and all the gravy go to the insurance companies, and the consumers are left with mostly gristle on their plates. Not at all...

Senator Jeff Merkely (Oregon) says NO to Bernake!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYb-SemvURE This is probably a late vid, but now its up to full Senate as committee approved him. Call your Senator and tell them no to this crook!

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Stop Usury Now Comment By William Greider December 10, 2009 The Democratic party brushed aside the question of usury last spring when Congress decided not to impose any limits on the ruinous interest rates charged by major banks and other lenders. But usury is now back on the table, put in play by Metro IAF, an alliance of two dozen faith-based community organizations affiliated nationwide with the Industrial Areas Foundation. These...

Believe me I feel like that too, but I refuse to let set backs destroy what little we have gotten so far. What really puts me in a bad mood is having people give up when things don't go their way and allowing the right to swing the pendulum to swing away from what little we have gotten and having even that wiped away. This is what upsets me the most. Please stop the pendulum from swinging right.

You wrote: An argument in favor of the mandate is that it will force the young and healthy to subscribe, and hence be invested in how well the system works. In terms of the argument re the young and healthy... all that makes sense, but there is some sort of tipping point where it's not worth it. Wendell Potter said this version will create bankruptcies. You wrote: Also, universality is one step closer to single payer for all. Well, they...

wartsttocs wrote: Quote: US warns Latin America against cozying up to Iran Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:21:48 GMT Font size : US Secretary of States Hillary Clinton says cozying up to Iran has 'consequences'. As Iran increases its presence in US backyard, the US secretary of states warns Latin American nations about the consequences of the move. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad went on several official trips to Latin American countries,...

http://rebelreports.com/post/287929742/stunning-statistics-about-the-war-every-american-should Stunning Statistics About The War Every American Should Know By Jeremy Scahill Thursday, December 17, 2009 A hearing in Sen. Claire McCaskill’s Contract Oversight subcommittee on contracting in Afghanistan has highlighted some important statistics that provide a window into the extent to which the Obama administration has picked up the Bush-era war...

wartsttocs wrote: Quote: I don't know why no one is even considering killing the mandate. It must be some process thing that I don't understand??? Well this is the ultimate goal of the legislation. Not to help out the little guy, but further the wealth and power of the insurance industry. The fact that not a single senator opposing this mandate is proof there is not one senator who puts the interests of the people in front of the...