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Sorry, I'm with the Moose on this. Neil-sensei was mistaken. The rules already make wasting time a hansoku. Few, if any shinpan, enforce that rule. The problem is therefore a lack of enforcement of existing rules, in my opinion. I don't know why people are getting snippy about it, but the fact is, as Moose stated, the rules ALREADY address the problem, they are just not being enforced. To advocate making more rules seems to be...

Quote: Originally Posted by Black Knight To advocate making more rules seems to be missing the point, especially when those added rules, in my opinion, dilute the underlying purpose of kendo. It's possible that the people advocating the change look at it as a refinement of the rules, to help clarify how they should be enforced. Referees may have always had the leeway to do it, but the refinement was needed to address a tendency to resist...

What Jon said. although I do acknowledge that the rules are broad enough to cover the situation already. Actually the rules are broad enough to cover almost any situation, so some clarification is always good. One of the interesting comments I have had during referee seminars is that the referee should be there to allow the players the opportunity to score, not to call penalties. So when calling penalties or addressing safety issues, we have...

I feel that there is a certain cultural undercurrent that is easy to overlook in discussions like these. I have been told repeatedly that, as shinpan, you should not be too hasty with hansoku. We want matches to be decided on good cuts, not technicalities, so giving away points to hansoku is to be avoided. Even though we are allowed to give hansoku for stalling, it's difficult to call it (and I am using that phrase in the Japanese-y way...

Neil and Arthur bring up interesting points about not interrupting the flow of matches. I think this is very important. It's so important in fact that it generally applies to jigeiko as well in my experience. Unless your kohai is doing something egregiously wrong, you generally don't stop sparring to give lengthy explanations. Sparring with someone can and should be an intense experience, so it requires you to gather your focus, or...

I'm a tad confused but I'm still new to kendo (coming from kenjutsu). Why is hiki waza considered non-positive attacking and generally not good kendo? The truth being I'm still not used to tsubazeriai and frankly only really first encountered it in kendo.

Quote: Why is hiki waza considered non-positive attacking and generally not good kendo? From what I've been told (standard coming from a noob disclaimer) its because an attack in kendo should be all or nothing. A technique where retreat is an integral part doesn't mesh well with this philosophy. Quote: The truth being I'm still not used to tsubazeriai and frankly only really first encountered it in kendo. I think tsubazerai is...

Quote: Originally Posted by rjhartu I'm a tad confused but I'm still new to kendo (coming from kenjutsu). Why is hiki waza considered non-positive attacking and generally not good kendo? The truth being I'm still not used to tsubazeriai and frankly only really first encountered it in kendo. ??? I am confused about that too. Tsuba-zerei aside, considering the amount of zanshin you have to show and all that extra practice in...

Quote: Originally Posted by 0746 ??? I am confused about that too. Tsuba-zerei aside, considering the amount of zanshin you have to show and all that extra practice in coordination you have to have to get a hiki-cut, is it really negative? I'm sure it can look elegant when done well but in general, at the lower levels, hiki waza looks clumsy and brutish compared to other waza. Probably the issue is, it's easier to create an opening...

I seem to recall playing under similar rules in the 2009 UofT Tournament. We had sensei (Tsumura Sensei or Kimura Sensei , I believe) demonstrate what shimpan will be calling re: tsubazeriai . It did make for some confusion initially as current shiai was characterized by long tsubazeriai hugfests, but it did make us more conscious of attacking from tsubazeriai as opposed to staying in it and made for a more flowing match.