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Plate type heat exchanger
Published (2009-12-30 15:42:00)
P&F's are superior when close approaches are required. If you don't need a close approach, S&T would be fine. Actually, P&F's came to us from the dairy industry where there was the requirement to take the equipment apart for cleaning daily. S&T's just couldn't be cleaned to the dairy industries standard. But that said, that doesn't mean I...
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Heat Transfer Finite Difference...
Published (2009-12-31 16:28:00)
If you could provide a drawing of your problem, maybe a we can find an analytical expression for it, a lot cheaper than those "expensive" 'bulldozer' programs.
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Plate type heat exchanger
Published (2009-12-28 15:15:00)
rmw Thanks!! Super helpful. We've got a separate pump planned for the raw water, and our equipment generally runs continuous (23-24 hr/day) at full speed. So I think we'll be ok. I'm not sure how close we are to being as dirty as the Miss but it would probably be comparable, and with the cyclonic filter we'll get the majority of the particulate.
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Temperature Coefficient
Published (2010-01-04 14:44:00)
( The simple solution is to use a convection coefficient compatible with the expected temperature. The resultant numbers will be "close enough" since many assumptions that go into the calculations are not always valid anyways. A 50?C change in the surface temperature should result in about a 6% change in convection coefficient , )
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LMTD question
Published (2010-01-04 14:16:00)
srfish, I agree with you. In my previous post dated 21st December, I suggested the OP to follow 25362's approach. In a broader view the classical method to calculate the LMTD (i.e. that which leads to LMTD = 91.8 ?F) when dealing with complex HX doesn't work.
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Temperature Coefficient
Published (2010-01-04 14:09:00)
( IRstuff, Thanks. Rth2, my mistake. Would it be correct to say that you agree that the thermal resistance will change with temperature? And if so, do you feel \(gut reaction\) that it will influence the calculations enough to pursue? Typically the temperature rise that I'm reffering to is about 100C. , )
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Plate type heat exchanger
Published (2009-12-28 13:22:00)
Wish I could help you with stories, but I've never used these types of exchangers with anything other than clean process fluids. Good luck!
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Plate type heat exchanger
Published (2009-12-28 15:10:00)
( Schick: P+F = Plate & Frame \(Alfa-Laval, etc.\) Sulfur solids would be those that would typically be picked up by cyclonic separation \(Krebbs etc.\). Not sure how big they are individually on average, other than they are quite visible to the naked eye. Please be cautious with my advice. I don't see any real busts in your propose application, but there are several folks on this site who are...
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Heat Transfer in a hot oil heater
Published (2009-12-29 07:51:00)
Point taken... thank you. Oh, and the 8% penalty for burning NG should be ~4%. It's the DIFFERENCE between the LHV/HHV of NG vs oil.
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Heat Exchanger / Rod baffle design
Published (2009-12-30 15:34:00)
Rod baffles are essentially "no baffles", they are only there to support the tube bundle and not to direct the shellside fluid. The benefit is low pressure drop, but the danger is maldistribution. You must take care of the distribution in your design - by putting nozzles on opposite sides of the shell (one up one down, for instance). The flow is directly countercurrent, but...
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Latest active threads on Heat Transfer & Thermodynamics engineering::
Started 1 day, 20 hours ago (2010-01-04 12:03:00)
by IRstuff
( But, your thermal model, as described in your citation, is dominated by the convective resistance, but there's nothing on that page that indicates what the 10.3 K/W really refers to. It could be already determined for a high temperature, or, you need to manually iterate the calculation and supply a new convective resistance for a couple of iterations. , )
Started 2 weeks, 2 days ago (2009-12-21 03:57:00)
by 25362
It is, apparently, a weighted MTD. Follow these steps: 1. Estimate the heat load Q 1 from 338 to 241.1 o F, and the heat load Q 2 from 241.1 to 122 o F. 2. Now estimate the water temperatures for these two heat loads to get the intermediate water temperature (against 241.1 o F). 3. Calculate the LMTD's for both sections separately. 4. The weighted LMTD would be: (Q 1 +Q 2 )÷[(Q 1 /LMTD 1 ...
Started 2 months ago (2009-11-06 10:27:00)
by IRstuff
( You apply Newton's Law of Cooling. The only numbers you're missing for a first order calculation are soil thermal conductivity and oil thermal conductivity. , )
Started 2 weeks, 6 days ago (2009-12-16 19:02:00)
by Compositepro
The concept is sound in terms of reducing energy useage but the drawback has always been that tap water contains minerals that will cause scale and corrosion on the condenser fins resulting in lower equipment life. The company says it has developed a special filter to prevent this. Their explanation sound like complete bullshit. All new window air conditioners I've seen are now designed so ...
Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago (2009-11-16 09:33:00)
by DanStro
If your somewhat proficient at programming you can use Matlab. or There another program FlexPDE that can do this. Both are pretty cheap compared to the codes that you mentioned. But you'll probably need to do some coding to get them to do exactly what you want. There are a couple of free matlab-like clones ( GNU Octave, FreeMat, and Scilab) that probably can do this too. I don't know of ...
Started 3 weeks ago (2009-12-15 14:53:00)
by unclesyd
Here is all the information I have on the Rod Baffle design. Phillips did have design program for their design. I Would also contact the software maker and discuss the problem with them . htt p://usuari os.lycos.e s/lhva/Rod _baffle_Ph illips.pdf
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Hot threads for last week on Heat Transfer & Thermodynamics engineering::
Started 1 week, 1 day ago (2009-12-28 12:20:00)
by jistre
I'm assuming you're talking about plate and frame exchangers. Be careful with your water supply. The passages in a plate and frame exchanger are typically MUCH smaller than those in a shell and tube. Their essential design is to spread the fluid streams out into sheet-like flows that run across either face of the flat plates. In addition, the plate is designed with ridges and such to direct ...
Started 2 weeks, 1 day ago (2009-12-21 11:05:00)
by semsagro
I guess if the oil temperature at 12500 GPM and 13500 GPM is the same, the heat input would increase with increasing flow rate.
Started 1 day, 20 hours ago (2010-01-04 12:03:00)
by IRstuff
( But, your thermal model, as described in your citation, is dominated by the convective resistance, but there's nothing on that page that indicates what the 10.3 K/W really refers to. It could be already determined for a high temperature, or, you need to manually iterate the calculation and supply a new convective resistance for a couple of iterations. , )
Started 2 weeks, 6 days ago (2009-12-16 19:02:00)
by Compositepro
The concept is sound in terms of reducing energy useage but the drawback has always been that tap water contains minerals that will cause scale and corrosion on the condenser fins resulting in lower equipment life. The company says it has developed a special filter to prevent this. Their explanation sound like complete bullshit. All new window air conditioners I've seen are now designed so ...
Started 2 weeks, 2 days ago (2009-12-21 03:57:00)
by 25362
It is, apparently, a weighted MTD. Follow these steps: 1. Estimate the heat load Q 1 from 338 to 241.1 o F, and the heat load Q 2 from 241.1 to 122 o F. 2. Now estimate the water temperatures for these two heat loads to get the intermediate water temperature (against 241.1 o F). 3. Calculate the LMTD's for both sections separately. 4. The weighted LMTD would be: (Q 1 +Q 2 )÷[(Q 1 /LMTD 1 ...
Started 6 days, 18 hours ago (2009-12-30 13:33:00)
by IRstuff
( You need to provide more detail as to what trouble you are having. Fundamentally, you are solving heat.cond = heat.conv+heat.rad for the temperature that balances the equation. , )
Started 3 weeks ago (2009-12-15 14:53:00)
by unclesyd
Here is all the information I have on the Rod Baffle design. Phillips did have design program for their design. I Would also contact the software maker and discuss the problem with them . htt p://usuari os.lycos.e s/lhva/Rod _baffle_Ph illips.pdf
Started 1 month, 2 weeks ago (2009-11-16 09:33:00)
by DanStro
If your somewhat proficient at programming you can use Matlab. or There another program FlexPDE that can do this. Both are pretty cheap compared to the codes that you mentioned. But you'll probably need to do some coding to get them to do exactly what you want. There are a couple of free matlab-like clones ( GNU Octave, FreeMat, and Scilab) that probably can do this too. I don't know of ...
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