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Re: A question for Dog_Shrink/Cracker please! Why not all of you that find my comments disturbing simply click on the REPORT icon and have me banned.. It would make it easier on everyone to include me.. Just use some force conditioning on me . I think what I said about people who would rather euth a dog then use compulsion conditioning is a truism regardless of how insulting it might seem. You can silence me but the truth runs rampant even...

I would say that analyzing a dog trainer based on learning theory is an incomplete evaluation of what they do. In addition to operant and classical conditioning, there's also rapport, trust, respect, energy, body language, voice - stuff that isn't immediately scientific. They're kind of the intangibles that separate normal people from natural trainers.

Quote: Originally Posted by qingcong For someone like Cesar Millan who's very intuitive. Caesar IS NOT very intuitive... he applies the same cookie cutter training philosophy across the board to just about every dog he works with. Training is an ART in my oponion. After you have learned the science end of it.... becoming the "whisperer" is definately an art.

When you say "GETTING him to lay down" what does that mean? Are you touching him when you want him to lay down? If so, stop. Not only is this threatening but it's possible he has pain or discomfort and molding a down is not a good thing. I was also thinking, that it is possible that every time the little guy was told to lay down in his previous home it may have been when he was in trouble or about to be punished, so the...

Quote: Originally Posted by qingcong I would say that analyzing a dog trainer based on learning theory is an incomplete evaluation of what they do. In addition to operant and classical conditioning, there's also rapport, trust, respect, energy, body language, voice - stuff that isn't immediately scientific. They're kind of the intangibles that separate normal people from natural trainers. Well yeah, that's why I said that...

I haven't done a lot of clicker work with her, but I have done some. I think I'll try some of those games outside in the yard. She's kinda limited on exercise at the moment, she messed up a disc in her back this weekend. Dunno if I should be walking her far for a week or so. More vids Sunday I think.

Start now. Basics - sit, down, come, stay, drop it, leave it, walking. Worry about the tricks later.

http://www.dogforums.com/3-dog-train...ding-lure.html (Quantum Leaps, fading the lure) Describe those other times.

What RBark said. I can tell you that after watching a number of animal trainers the really good ones seem to be an extension of the animal they are training. YOU do not really see where the animal ends and the trainer begins.. they are so capable of working together. Just about anyone can learn to do a passable job of training A single dog. Not everyone can do a passable job of training many dogs of many backgrounds and get real reliable...

You can buy an ex pen quite cheaply. I got one at Petcetera. HOWEVER, it doesn't work all that well for a big dog. My shih-tzus are fine in it, but my son's goldendoodle could almost tip it over when he was three months old. I don't think you say what kind of a dog you have but if its a small one an exercise pen is made of metal and can't be chewed up.