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quote: ORIGINAL: copybingo The best example of God's "controlling while allowing" I can think of off the top of my head may be Joseph's brothers selling him into slavery. It was sin, for sure, but God allowed it in order to ultimately preserve His people. Joseph later stated "what you meant for evil, God meant for good." This was control on God's part, in my opinion. His omniscience was, of...

quote: ORIGINAL: ManimalX quote: ORIGINAL: sue244 I've always thought of God's attributes as overlapping and all part of each other but I think that they all fall under Holiness. Holy: Set Apart All of His attributes are perfect and set apart from anything that human can achieve. God is Love, but God is Holy as well. 1 Pet 1:16 I think we are in danger when we focus on one of His attributes over the others but I would probably err...

quote: Is it harmful to be a robot if it results in us going to Heaven ? Hold on there, MM! Not all robots get to go to heaven according to your theology...

quote: ORIGINAL: Mannamuncher Sure, God=LOVE. Sure God=HOLY. Sure, God =?... It is not our place to determine or decide what God is. How does God want to be known ? What is His rep ? Does God really want to be seen in a certain light ? I AM THAT I AM... As the bible is the revelation of God to man we don't decide what God is. He reveals Himself to us. As opposed to, say, the despotic god of the ancient Babylonians (man made ideas), God...

quote: Should the characteristics of God not be separated at all? God's essence is (1) love, (2) light, and (3) life. That is what Scripture declares in the first epistle of John. Light is not only God's actual glorious light, but His absolute holiness, righteousness, truthfulness, faithfulness, wisdom and knowledge. And yes, God's attributes are not to be separated into various components, since God is simply the great...

Ezra - I don't think you and I are disagreeing. The only place we have a difference of opinion is in whether man is, indeed, autonomous. Auto means self, such as self-acting(think automobile). Nomos is the greek word for law. This is where I arrive at self-law. Now if man is autonomous and God is sovereign, we have a problem. That is why I stated man's freedom is limited, God's is unlimited. The best example of God's...

And, His "essence" is summed up in this: HOLY! As prolifepj pointed out, what is the eternal cry in the presence of God? Not, "Love, love, love!" Not, "Mercy, mercy, mercy!" Not, "Violence, violence, violence!" Not, "Eternal, eternal, eternal" Not, "Justice, justice, justice!" Not, "Patience, patience, patience!" Not,...

Ok, admitedly, I haven't read through all of this, so its likely been said, but I'll add my two cents worth in. My thoughts on scanning this are...and I'm not so sure about the word 'essence' but while G-d most certainly is love, the angels surrounding the throne are not crying, "LOVE! LOVE! LOVE!" but rather, "HOLY! HOLY! HOLY!"

quote: Does the fact that God is sovereign make us into robots? Hardly. It is God's love that compels the child of God to want to be Christ's disciple and this all falls within God being 100% sovereign in His creation.

God is Love. Holiness is not an essence; it just means that He is separate.