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Quote: Originally Posted by RoundCircle Chief, It is logical substitution. If you say Amorth said essentially the same as you, and he mentioned, "everything", then I can substitute any thing and it should be essentially true. The fact that you immediately disagreed with my substitution evidences my point. There is a huge difference between something effecting a result and that God can use something to help effect a result....

Quote: Originally Posted by Chief Brody It sounded good, but I actually got that one wrong. The church of satan doesn't condone illegal drug use or activities of any kind. Of course that doesn't mean that they still don't do dope. From what I understand and have seen, most true satanic bands don't really sing about hedonism, parties, sex, cop-killing, getting wasted etc. From what I see, their subject matter and main...

Chief, It is logical substitution. If you say Amorth said essentially the same as you, and he mentioned, "everything", then I can substitute any thing and it should be essentially true. The fact that you immediately disagreed with my substitution evidences my point. There is a huge difference between something effecting a result and that God can use something to help effect a result. You see, a screwdriver doesn't...

The element of the 'dark side' is present in our world because we have let it into our homes and into our commuities. Children dress in 'all black' and wear weird make-up and parents sit helplessly back! Yes, satanic behaviors pervade the schools as kids 'copy-cat' behaviors seen in movies and videos. There are even many who join 'groups' that are involved in the 'underworld' or the...

Quote: But why did they do that? There could be many, many different reasons. Do you think you might be able change their minds? Quote: For the same reasons we fill our heads up with Protestantism, Islam, Hinduism etc. It helps to know something about a certain topic before we talk, right? I don't know, I think it's a whole other sack of potatoes there, Chief. Quote: It's just talking. It's the year of St. Paul, right?...

Thanks Kyria Your references make interesting reading though inevitably, they underline that deciding whether to correct or not depends on the circumstances of each individual case, and the attitudes of the sinned against and the sinner towards each other.

MODERATOR NOTE OK, Let's tone it down a bit fellas. It is a good topic to discuss, but let's not cross the line of personal attacks. CCF_Rick

There is some music that is just blatantly evil and that I will not listen to. Marilyn Manson comes to mind. If you listen to his music...it is catchy and has a good beat to it, but the lyrics are downright horrid. Of course, he doesn't try to hide the fact that he attacks Christianity. The title of his latest album "Eat Me, Drink Me" is an obvious attack on the Holy Eucharist. However, there is also Christian Metal as...

I think as you do that torture is wrong. However, I do disagree with you on a few points. But the real crux of the matter is how we define torture. I am sure we define it differently.

I found this Fraternal Correction There are a number of other articles on the net about Fraternal Correction. http://www.penitents.org/correction.htm Catechism: 1829 The fruits of charity are joy, peace, and mercy; charity demands beneficence and fraternal correction; it is benevolence; it fosters reciprocity and remains disinterested and generous; it is friendship and communion: Love is itself the fulfillment of all our works. There is the...